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Another question is with regard to slot.it tyres . Are we talking origonal Group C tyres out of the box or the new C1 compound tyres ?

Origonal group C tyres out of the box NOT THE NEW C1 TYRES. Other choice is the MJK tyres.

Paul my cars that have run on the gloss tracks have been fine with the origanals. Plus i think Hornsby will have plenty of grip. ;)

 

regards shane a

 

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Two quick questions on the car rules if I may.

 

1 Front tyres can be trued but are you allowed to coat them with superglue or nail polish?

2 NINCO car are you permitted to brace the chassis to stop the NINCO hop?

 

Regards

Ray

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Two quick questions on the car rules if I may.

 

1 Front tyres can be trued but are you allowed to coat them with superglue or nail polish?

2 NINCO car are you permitted to brace the chassis to stop the NINCO hop?

 

Regards

Ray

Hi Ray,

 

You may. And the answer to your questions is yes and yes. ;)

 

regards shane a

 

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Thanks Shane for the clarification.

 

Any suggestions on the better scaleys to run (not a big fan of scaleys but would like to run in as many classes as possible)

 

Ray

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Thanks for covering those Queries Shane :)

 

Any suggestions on the better scaleys to run

 

Not 100% sure, so Will check with James and Wayne etc, but from the little experience I have of watching/running them, I'd say there are a few.

Whilst I will admit to a personal preference,..lol, I think the Maserati mc12 could be a choice, have seen an awesome Chaparral run, 330p's used to be good, (if you got a Good one!!,..lol),...but as I said, I'd get back to you on 'What People are Running,..Well'.

 

Do the lights have to be connected on Scaley GT cars

 

Whilst I would Not necessarily 'Encourage' reduction of the 'Scale' Realism of the Cars having 'Working Lights',.. :lol::D:);) ;)

Realistically, I think that should be 'Open' to personal preference, (Some people Like Their Lights) and if one could get them to Appear More Realistic in their Operation, then I Would Genuinely Encourage it !! ,..BUT,..as there are MANY Possible Cars to choose from within the 'bounds' of this class, that do Hot Have Lights, then I would suggest that they Do NOT Need to be 'Connected'.

 

Damn !!,..I HAD Meant ti 'Include' the 'Clarification' in the Ninco Rules,..DOH !!

 

Sorry about that.

 

There Is in fact an Easily 'Purchased' "Ninco Hop" fixing device available from Most Larger Hardware/Homeware Suppliers, being 'Tile' Edge Spacers!

These have a "T" shape and actually make for a rather Logical 'Brace',..Cheap too !!,.. :) :)

 

Cheers :)

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Can you glue the motor pod into SCX Nascars
With regard to SCX , If older cars have solid chassis I would prefer to allow glued motor pods . I believe they handle better for non-mag racing .

 

Hmm,..OK,..2 x Good Questions/interpretation of the rules.

 

As mentioned previously, I have NO Experience with these Cars,..so in All 'Fairness', have to Ask,.."What Would 'The Masses' Want?",..lol

Personally, I would think that 'Reasonable' to accept, but Please guys,..'Chime In'!

 

I would 'Prefer' to have the more 'finite' Issues to be 'Raised' Early.

 

In All the Other Classes it states that you Can 'Screw', 'Glue', perhaps 'Brace' the Motor in Place, but Chassis 'Styles are intrinsically Identical, so the SCX Chassis question IS I guess Important, as there are obviously differences in the Older and Newer cars.

 

Cheers

Stewart

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One more quick question are you permitted to stabilize the front axle float with bearings or small plastic tabs drilled out for the axle?

 

PS now have the all clear from the better half to attend looking forward to seeing y ou all there.

 

Regards

 

Ray

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Hello Stewart,

 

Thanks for putting the rules out there for examination!

 

Looks like a great event – one that I’ll certainly be trying to be a part off!

 

It’ll be great to catch up with Wayne B again. We had a number of fun trips to Thomastown in the early 80’s for 1/24 wing car racing (could it have been called the Brock?) – I even drove one of his creations in one of those events. This was with guys like Charlie Rickards, Toby Lee, Neil Bolton, Greg Erskine etc…

 

Anywho – onto Waitara… which apparently has changed a fair bit from those days I believe….

 

Just trying to get a handle on the repeated use of the term ‘original’….

 

A lot of these classes appear to be based on a standard RTR car – therefore the components of that car that came out of the box are the ‘original’ components, and cannot be ‘blueprinted’ or exchanged – otherwise the makeup of the entry is no longer ‘original’….

 

Some people like to run their own non-standard liveries on their entries. Obviously, this would not be allowed, as these are not the ‘original’ body (an ‘original’ white kit body is, well, unpainted white….), although I do note that such repaints are allowed in the NSR classes…

 

In the slot.it and NSR classes, it stipulates that ‘original’ body / chassis must be used, but there’s no such stipulation in regards to motorpods – only that the ‘original’ drive line type must be maintained….

 

Still looking at the slot.it class, there’s the stipulation that the ‘original’ motor must be used. This may be a problem, as the earlier Gr C models came with a 25K motor, whereas latter and current models come with a 21.5k motor (although with greater torque…)

 

I’m guessing the intent is that the manufacturer’s mechanical specification is unchanged – motor, location, gear type and respective teeth counts, wheel dimensions, etc – thus keeping some kind of check on an ‘arms race’, yet allowing for fine preparation and tuning of the RTR model?

 

But some may say that replacement parts produced by the original manufacturer are original parts….

 

So – is there some way to say how original is original?

 

Stewart, please don’t misinterpret these rambling notes as any kind of criticism. Far from it – I fully appreciate the sacrifice and willingness needed to put one’s hand up to take on the Race Director’s role. I have done similar roles over many years in 1:1; slot cars & R/C cars… It’s only time restraints that prevent from me from doing this still…

 

My only concern is that the prestige of an Australian Championship event is not compromised by misunderstandings of the intent of the rules…

 

Now - if only I could get some driving talent……

Cheers,

 

Tony.

 

There's only two questions:

 

1. What direction do you go

2. What's the Lap Record?

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are you permitted to stabilize the front axle float with bearings or small plastic tabs drilled out for the axle?

 

Hmm,..if I am imagining what I Think you Mean,..then I'd Have to say No!

 

The Rules state;

AXLES FRONT: (Total width of wheels and axle must not exceed the original set up)

1. Original front axle.

2. Must be located in the original, un-modified front axle holders.

3. Side play may be adjusted by adding axle washers.

 

AXLES REAR: (Total width of wheels and axle must not exceed the original set up)

1. Original rear axle and bushings only. No ball bearings.

2. Must be located in the original, un-modified rear axle holders.

3. Side play may be adjusted by adding axle washers.

 

If you were suggesting 'Mod's' that 'Limit' the Up and Down Movement Directly, then as I said, I think NO, would Have to be the answer on that one.

Obviously,'Limiting' the overall sideplay can help reduce the incidence or extreme that the front axle may move vertically.

 

I think the 'Spirit' of the Rules, is "Well Set Up intrinsically Standard Cars"

 

Hey!,..as well,..it IS NASCARS we are discussing here and we All Know, "You DON'T 'Mess' with NASCAR Rules or Admin" !!!,... :lol:

 

Cheers

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Well,..G'day Bov :)

 

It’ll be great to catch up with Wayne B again. We had a number of fun trips to Thomastown in the early 80’s for 1/24 wing car racing (could it have been called the Brock?) – I even drove one of his creations in one of those events. This was with guys like Charlie Rickards, Toby Lee, Neil Bolton, Greg Erskine etc…

 

Ahh,..Yes,..well there are some Names.

Yes it most definitely Could have been called 'The Brock' :)

 

I don't think Toby is with us any longer, personally have not seen Hide nor Hair of the other two, perhaps Wayne may know of their activities,..? Charles Rickards, IS still racing relatively regularly and driving typically Very well just quietly !!,..lol He races regularly in Wing cars, Retro and some Plafit classes and may even be competing at the MCN himself, (we were chatting about the NSR's etc).

 

 

Just trying to get a handle on the repeated use of the term ‘original’….

 

A lot of these classes appear to be based on a standard RTR car – therefore the components of that car that came out of the box are the ‘original’ components, and cannot be ‘blueprinted’ or exchanged – otherwise the makeup of the entry is no longer ‘original’….

 

Well,..perhaps Not wanting to 'Labour On' about this 'Term' / 'Issue', as stated in my previous 'Post', I think there perhaps Needs to be an 'Understood' Spirit of Intent within the Rules Set, of the Cars being' "Well set up intrinsically Standard Cars".

 

I think it is 'Understood', in sections of the rules and arguably, within the General "Racing" 1/32nd Community, of the Various Subtle 'Adjustments' that almost All 'Plastic Car Racers' will do, almost "de-Riguer" on Any Brand New Car !!

 

As the basis of these rules, is as these Standard classes have been for the last couple of years, I am Hoping that the Commonality of 'What IS accepted' as 'Understood' Standard Practice, in the Subtle preparation of these cars is as stated Understood and allowed.

 

The 'Original' terminology is Not mine, but I believe arguably 'Understood'

 

Heck,..No one is expecting Anyone to run with Standard Front rims STILL with the Moulding 'Dags' Unsanded, But exchanging the Fronts for Aftermarket or alternate Same manufacturers rims, although Arguably 'Original', is Not within the Spirit or Intent of the Rules.

"Blueprinting" per-se could arguably be suggested IS Within the Framework of the Rules, by distinctly being Unmentioned, but 'Implied' by allowing Choice of Tyre, Any Braid, spacing of Axles etc,..ie; Good Preparation, of an intrinsically Standard Car!

 

:D:) Hope that Helps,.. :)

 

Some people like to run their own non-standard liveries on their entries. Obviously, this would not be allowed, as these are not the ‘original’ body (an ‘original’ white kit body is, well, unpainted white….), although I do note that such repaints are allowed in the NSR classes…

 

Personally, and perhaps also arguably within the Racing 1/32 community, Repaints, Detailing etc, would Not and Will Not be seen as Illegal, due to Non 'Spec' Originality.

A White, Raw Plastic Kit, is Original,..does that mean you Can't 'Paint' it ??,.. :D;) ;)

 

I will in NO Way,..Discourage any and All attempts at adding Extra Detailing, Painting etc, especially with regard to the cars apparent Reality etc.

Custom Liveries ARE allowed, although, the Idea should be that the car and it's Paint work be Typical of the 'Style' of the Class and 'Like a Racing Car',..instead of an Entry in the Local "Rod & Custom" Show,.. :);)

 

There IS Concours for All the Classes !,..SO,...Get Detailing Guys !!,..lol

 

I will consult and Report on 'Who' and 'How' Concours will be conducted and get back to you.

 

In the slot.it and NSR classes, it stipulates that ‘original’ body / chassis must be used, but there’s no such stipulation in regards to motorpods – only that the ‘original’ drive line type must be maintained

.......

Still looking at the slot.it class, there’s the stipulation that the ‘original’ motor must be used. This may be a problem, as the earlier Gr C models came with a 25K motor, whereas latter and current models come with a 21.5k motor (although with greater torque…)

 

Not completely Sure I understand,..the Rules in the Slot.it and NSR classes State;

 

Slot.it

CHASSIS:

1. Only the original un-modified Slot.it Group “C” chassis is allowed.

2. The chassis and body must be from the original car as first purchased.

3. Adding weight to any part of the chassis is allowed.

4. Reinforcing or gluing parts of the chassis such as axle bushings, motor mounting posts is allowed.

5. No Chassis magnets are allowed.

6. Angle or Side winder chassis are not allowed.

 

MOTOR:

1. Original un-modified 21,500 rpm Slot.it Group “C” motors only (in-line configuration).

 

NSR

 

CHASSIS:

1. Only the original un-modified NSR chassis is allowed.

2. The chassis and body must be from the original car as first purchased.

3. Adding weight to any part of the chassis is allowed.

4. Reinforcing or gluing parts of the chassis such as axle bushings, motor mounting posts etc is allowed.

5. No Chassis magnets are allowed.

 

MOTOR:

1. Original un-modified small can 25,000 rpm Shark motors only.

2. Sidewinder set up only.

3. The motor may be glued into the cradle only.

 

I Guess I Reckon That 'Covers it' !??,..as I said, perhaps I am Unsure of exactly Waht your Question is regarding.

 

I’m guessing the intent is that the manufacturer’s mechanical specification is unchanged – motor, location, gear type and respective teeth counts, wheel dimensions, etc – thus keeping some kind of check on an ‘arms race’, yet allowing for fine preparation and tuning of the RTR model?

 

Yes!,..I think that is Very Much the 'Intent'! :)

 

But some may say that replacement parts produced by the original manufacturer are original parts….

Yes,..I'd Hope Replacement Parts Were the Same as the Original and if So,..I Would agree.

Although, Alternate parts produced by the original manufacturer are NOT original parts, in my opinion.

 

I guess and AM Seriously Hoping it IS Understood!!,..lol, it Means 'The Standard' As Supplied Parts, Not 'Pro' or 'Pro Race' type parts.

 

So – is there some way to say how original is original?

Probably Not !!,.. :lol:

 

My only concern is that the prestige of an Australian Championship event is not compromised by misunderstandings of the intent of the rules…

Well, it's Not the First time this Event, the Classes run or Rule set used,..and arguably apart from Numbers/attendance, the events have been relatively smoothly run and good racing was had.

 

As with ANY 'Standard' type of Class of racing,..one Does Inherently Hope for the Intrinsic 'Spirit' of the class to be both understood and embraced Honestly by one competitors.

 

Some people spend Hours fettling and setting up their cars, others Don't,..there is No way of marshalling the 'Degree' of Preparation or it's excellence etc.

 

 

I must admit, due to the style of track, it Will be extremely advantageous to have a very Smooth, fast car that can carry speed and corner fast and well. The track is pretty Smooth and many corners Are fast,..so having a very smooth car, with Round Tyres Will be an advantage, as Will be 'Lead' I feel !!,..lol,..From experience in Other classes of racing around this track,..Weight Can be Your Friend !!,.. :D

 

 

Anyway,..be good to see you there,..give Wayne a call and say Hi !!,.. :)

 

Cheers,

Stewart

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Some people like to run their own non-standard liveries on their entries. Obviously, this would not be allowed

 

Still looking at the slot.it class, there’s the stipulation that the ‘original’ motor must be used. This may be a problem, as the earlier Gr C models came with a 25K motor, whereas latter and current models come with a 21.5k motor (although with greater torque…)

So – is there some way to say how original is original?

 

My only concern is that the prestige of an Australian Championship event is not compromised by misunderstandings of the intent of the rules…

 

 

Yes painted liveries are aloud. Has'nt been a problem the last three years as long as all components are in. Stoo please add that to the rules so thers no confusion.

 

NO 25,OOOrpm motors. They can be changed to a slot.it 21,000rpm which was brought in last year.So any old liveries like the Cannon or Newman can have motor changes......The car of mine that some one raced was the stars and stripes last year. Stoo please had this change to

the rules.

 

As for motor pods group C they all come in line so it is inline...Slot.it/ and NSR sidewinder.

 

My only concern for this prestige event is people will have lots to say on here about the rules and will be NO SHOWS.

 

regards shane a

 

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Interesting comment about discussing rules and no-shows . It's nice to now the rule before commiting to attending and competeing . I have started corrospondance with my local racing group of which consists of about 20 odd guys that race on a fortnightly basis . Most won't be interested and a few will get serious . BUT it usually depends on the way the rules are written wether you decide to compete . So far the initial feed back I have had is a couple of guys are keen however there are 2 rules that people disagree with or don't like .

 

The first is simply a personal preference about braket racing . We don't race like that and the guys prefer 1 heat on 1 heat off .

 

The second which does have some substance is that nobody agrees with elimination heats . Slot car racing is about motor sport ( sort of ) not 100m sprints at the Olimpics .The concern I have found is nobody wants to spend $750 - $1000 for a weekend travelling to Sydney only to be knocked out buy someone else and be eliminated , for the grand total of 16mins racing , only to be left marshalling for the rest of the event . From there we have to decide to attend to humour our interest in the hoby and justify the expence .

 

Anyway , I'm not suggesting rule changes and I'm not having a go at the way the racing should be run , simply putting forward the comments I have heard so far from a place far away . It is the responsability of the organisers to wade thru the feedback and make rule decissions accordingly .

 

Regards

Paul

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Hi there 'paulthetexan' and to your fellow Queensland racing friends.

I am one of the organizers of the event, so will try and 'Cover' your comments/questions as best I can.

 

The first is simply a personal preference about bracket racing . We don't race like that and the guys prefer 1 heat on 1 heat off .

 

??? 1 Heat On & 1 Heat Off ???,..as another perhaps 'infamous Queenslander once said,.."Please Explain".

I'm 55, been racing on and off since about the age of 14 and I have Never Raced in That format,..apart from Teams Enduros, where only the 'Driver' changed.

Utilising Your reference to real Motor racing,..'They', don't do it like that,..

 

I'm unsure I fully Understand,..

 

The second which does have some substance is that nobody agrees with elimination heats

 

Interesting,..the method of racing chosen here, Is THE Common method virtually ALL 'Commercial Centre' based racing has occurred and been run in this country since I can remember. It IS an Australian method and has been adopted and used in the US by the USRA and Many European racing organisations for Years Now,..with strangely No complaints, as it Is Fair and Means that you are invariably always racing with and against people of similar Skill/Speed.

 

There IS Qualifying you Know,..which means If you Qualify well, Your heat will have 7 Other drivers All doing very similar times to yourself.

If your qualifying was Poor, then you have the Chance to 'Move Up' to the Next Heat and Continue racing, all the way to the Final if you are good enough!

 

There are No Final 'Sit-outs' Top Qualifiers go into one of Two Semi's, with the Top Four from Each Semi ending up in the Main.

 

JUST Like Real Racing,..the Top Qualifiers are At the Front and in Class racing Only the Higher finishers make it to the Main Final.

 

Just like in Real Racing, You Need to Qualify well, OR drive very well,..Ideally Both,..think of Drag Racing,..you may ONLY Have the ONE Run,..especially if you Don't even manage to Meet the Qualifying times.

 

Personally, having Raced this way ALL my Life, I AM quite Happy with the Format,..personally I am NOT a Fan of the so called Equal Track time methodology, which Would Result in ONLY getting 16 minutes Racing for ALL Entrants and may Not be in a Heat with all good drivers, so I am Not a Fan of My Good performance being ruined in a Heat with Less Skilled drivers.

 

This way, if you happen to Not Qualify that well, but Race well, Heck you Might actually 'See' a LOT of Track time and Might even make it to the Final,..What's Wrong with that ??

 

What Race methodology would you Suggest would allow all these classes with hopefully Quite a few entrants to Run,..providing ALL Entrants More than Their 'Run' in Time over the Eight Lanes ???

 

Slot car racing is about motor sport ( sort of ) not 100m sprints at the Olympics

??? Hmm,..These ARE Sprint Races,..NOT Enduros!

They Are the Australian Nationals,..a Chance to Test Your 'Mettle' against all the Best and Worst in the Country, All Racing to the Same Format, With the Same Opportunities to Shine Or Fail, as the case may be.

 

If you Run in a Heat and Only Come Fifth, with Obviously Not Enough Laps to make the Move up it is arguable as well that with any Other Race Format, your Poor Lap Totals would also Not put you in the Winners Circle either, so What is the Difference?

 

The concern I have found is nobody wants to spend $750 - $1000 for a weekend travelling to Sydney only to be knocked out buy someone else and be eliminated

 

Yes, I agree,..as stated Above.

 

for the grand total of 16mins racing

ONLY If you do Not Do well and as you would ONLY Get if running any Other Method,..as Far as I am aware.

 

only to be left marshalling for the rest of the event

 

Well, No, Not really, as You will Only Have to Marshall at Specific times, Relative to Your Heat and though any Extra Marshalls will Not be Discouraged, you are Only Expected to Marshall for the 'designated' Heat. Please Note it IS The same for the Other racers who may Have Yet to race, like the Top Qualifiers, who Have to Wait and Marshall the Lower heats, but as stated, Only for their designated Time,..I think it about the same for all, just doesn't seem that way when you Don't Win or do well,.. :);)

 

From there we have to decide to attend to humour our interest in the hoby and justify the expence .

 

Slightly adding to the above reply,..No,..perhaps that is How YOU Feel, but I would have thought the reason for attending was to 'Compete' and Meet up with many Fellow Slot Racing enthusiasts, Tell Tall Tales, Help a Few who may need it, possibly Learn from others etc and to prepare your Other cars etc for the Following races and perhaps Just to Be Involved in the event and Have FUN,..Most important !!

 

I appreciate your comments, but as you say you are Not suggesting Rule changes or to the way the racing is conducted and as This IS the way We have been racing at HSC and Many other tracks in NSW and around the country in Most other classes of racing, it is (with the system we have and Years of Very successful previous State and National events), unlikely to be Changed.

This is also the way the racing was held at the Previous MCN as well, (am unsure as to the Racing format used at the earlier MCN at Dapto, perhaps others can comment).

 

I Can fully understand people Not wanting to travel and Race under Rules and or conditions you feel are Inappropriate or incorrect, I too Have taken the same decision over another form of racing that I normally compete in very successfully locally,..but at the same time I AM Hoping that This MCN, might be the chance for many people to attend, I guess, simply for the Sake of it, to simply compete, meet others and Most Importantly HAVE FUN!,..and leave satisfied by having attended an enjoyable weekends racing and socialising!

 

We Can't All Win and there is always those going home with the 'What If' and "if Only's", Heck done it Many times myself over the years,..but I still Had FUN doing it and that IS What's Important!! If it's NOT Fun,..Why Do it ??

 

I certainly Do Hope we manage to get a few Queenslanders down for the event, otherwise it Won't Truly be a National event !!

 

Hope that helps !!?? :) am happy to chat further,.. :)

 

Cheers,

Stewart

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Thanks Stoo for the explanation of how the eliminations are done. I was unsure myself but it seems everyone will get a pretty good run anyway. I doubt anyone is going to travel and race one class so all participants will get a fair amount of track time regardless of talent. It is a championship after all not a beer and pizza night with your mates. I am looking forward to it myself just for the opportunity of meeting a few forum members who i only know by name on here a weekend away and a chance to drive on a track that is completely different to anything available in my home state both in layout and surface. So far i have used the nationals as an excuse to buy a new controller a new carry case and i have just started on the cars. All grown men need excuses to buy new toys.

4x national champion 6x national runner up. I come second most often but my girlfriends happy.

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Hi Shame

You May be able to help me with this rule

 

MOTOR:

1. Original Scalextric 18,000 rpm motors only.

2. The sealed motors are not be tampered with or modified in any way.

3. The motor may be secured by soldering a motor brace or gluing it to the chassis.

 

the newer FF motor is rated at 18,000 rpm

Dose make the FF motor able to be uses

Thanks

Rodney

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Hi Shame

You May be able to help me with this rule

 

MOTOR:

1. Original Scalextric 18,000 rpm motors only.

2. The sealed motors are not be tampered with or modified in any way.

3. The motor may be secured by soldering a motor brace or gluing it to the chassis.

 

the newer FF motor is rated at 18,000 rpm

Dose make the FF motor able to be uses

Thanks

Rodney

Hi Rodney.

 

1. Original small-cam motor that comes in the scalextric Gt cars only,18,000 RPM

2. The sealed motor being tampered with is refering to the small tabs on the sides of the housing body that hold the 2 halfs of the motor together.

3. This is aloud so it can stiffen the rear end up,helps with rear end bounce.

 

They must be the small cam motor that come in the GT cars.

 

Another thing the light kits can be removed.

 

regards shane a

 

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Pardon me for 'chiming in' here,..but may I say I am somewhat astounded by the apparent Mis-interpretation and Detailed Loop Hole bending introspection of what could be described as a fairly simple Self Explanatory Rule Set.

 

As Mentioned in a few of My posts above, the concept behind this event and it's rules, is to have and allow for the Racing of "Well set up Intrinsically standard cars" !!!

 

This is Not and as far as I am aware has Never been a 'Customisation' Game/event,..Especially within the 'bounds' of these Standard classes, like the Ninco GT's, Slot.it Group C's and Now Scalextric GT's.

 

Previously, there were events for 'Modified' cars/classes,..AND They were NAMED that way.

 

The Scalextric class has Not been raced before and had I guess More to do with the fact that many of the HSC 'Locals' regularly raced this Class,..'As Standard,..Out of the Box cars' !!,..Obviously, Tyre truing is allowed, but they run them ,.."as supplied", tyres included.

 

Personally, in the most recent question, I Would have thought the Rules themselves Answered the Question

MOTOR:

1. Original Scalextric 18,000 rpm motors only.

 

The "Original" here Quite Obviously means the SP Mabuchi 18,000 RPM Motor that is fitted "As Standard" to ALL Scalextric cars that could be defined by the 'Term' GT.

I would have thought That to be clearly and unequivocally Understood, by almost ANY even Half Keen 1/32 scale racer.

The 18,000rpm FF motor in question, itself, is a fairly recent addition to Scalextric's product line and has Only been released in a Few cars, None of which are within the Scope of a GT classification as far as I am aware.

 

It is also a somewhat Odd question considering the rules State;

CHASSIS:

1. Only the original un-modified Scalextric GT style chassis is allowed.

 

So one wonders just How one could Fit an FF motor into an SP designed (and with Few exceptions, a Sidewinder Chassis) effectively, without Some 'Modification' to the Chassis !!

 

I mean Heck Guys,..C'Mon,..this is Not a Chance to see how effectively you can Bend or Re-interpret the rules,..or arguably,..Try to Cheat,...it is an Open opportunity to Prepare and race Intrinsically identically Specc'd relatively standard cars against the many other similarly inspired and interested members of the 1/32 racing community.

Arguably a DRIVERS Event,..Not an Engineering Challenge or 'Build Off'.

 

If people Wish to race Heavily Modified Cars,..then Make suggestions as to What and How and 'Lobby' for it's inclusion in upcoming events.

For the Mad Keen 'Modder', I am sure their 'Needs' are probably well catered for within their local Club, Raceway or Home Track.

 

By trying to keep the classes relatively Standard, the hope was to get More people interested in 'having a Go', precluding the Need for them to acquire the necessary Modding Skills and expense of Extra parts etc,..an attempt to create as Even a Playing Field as Possible for All.

 

I Openly ask you all to try and 'Embrace' the Simplicity of this as a concept, in the idea of making it an easily accessible, popular and enjoyable event for All.

 

I do Not wish to offend or annoy people with these comments, only to try and make it Clear as to the Simplicity of what is intended within the Scope and content of the rules.

Cheers and thanks,

Stewart

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Thanks Stoo for your answer

BUT a simple yes or no would have sufficed or

A SP in front of the 18,000 rpm would have left no ambiguity in the rule

So the rule would read

 

MOTOR:

1. Original Scalextric SP 18,000 rpm motors only.

2. The sealed motors are not be tampered with or modified in any way.

3. The motor may be secured by soldering a motor brace or gluing it to the chassis.

 

I didn't write the rules, so I don't know the spirit they were written in and what they are meant to achieve.

so I am left to read them and interpret them, if I feel they are unclear then I would like them clarified. so don't shoot the messenger if the rules leave room for interpertation.

Rodney

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Hi Guys!

 

Sorry for taking a while to get back on here..

 

Thanks Stewart for your reply. That, and subsequent posts, have help get a better understanding as to the flavour of the event....

 

We'll see how we go...

 

And you're right - I must get around to catching up with Wayne again....

Cheers,

 

Tony.

 

There's only two questions:

 

1. What direction do you go

2. What's the Lap Record?

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Pardon me for 'chiming in' here,..but may I say I am somewhat astounded by the apparent Mis-interpretation and Detailed Loop Hole bending introspection of what could be described as a fairly simple Self Explanatory Rule Set.

 

Welcome to the pain of writing the rules and enforcing them. I wish you the best of luck Stewart. It is in the DNA of a racer to push the limits and it is in the nature of some racers to push beyond those limits. Unfortuntely what you may see as a clear cut set of rules, another person may see as a general guide and everything else is open. Wrong... people please stick to the rules as it makes everyone happier and the running of a event much smoother.

 

May I suggest a idea. Everything must remain standard unless it is stated in the rules and then only to a control item that is widely available.

 

In regards to the question of the SCX Nascars may I suggest a few ideas to better close any grey areas.

 

 

 

CHASSIS:

1. Only the original un-modified SCX Classic chassis is allowed.

2. The chassis and body must be from the original car as first purchased.

 

 

Any SCX Pro Nascars or chassis should be stated as being banned.

 

3. Adding weight to any part of the chassis is allowed.

4. Reinforcing or gluing parts of the chassis such as axle bushings, motor mounting posts is allowed.

5. No Chassis magnets are allowed.

 

Please state the type of material that can be used for adding weight and reinforcing. Also myself I would suggest allowing the hot gluing/gluing of the motor pod as apposed to saying motor mounting posts. This will allow people to control the movement of the motor pods better.

 

GEARS:

1. Original drive gear.

2. Original pinion gear.

 

 

Watch out for pinion gear changes on all cars. This was our first illegal mod that started popping up in our club racing.

 

GUIDE:

1. Any SCX or Ninco replacement guides.

2. Any lead wire.

3. Any Braid.

 

 

I see this rule as a big problem. I think it should be standard SCX guides only and standard motor contact rail (soldering motor contacts to the rails is fine) as this keeps the class mostly standard. Once you allow other brands of guides and lead wires to the motors this then becomes a proper modified class with the deeper Ninco Prorace guide being able to give between 0.5 and 1 second a lap advantage depending upon the skills of the person doing the mod. Love it or hate it, the guides and motor contact rails are a part and parcel of owning a SCX and if you can't make them work then ask someone who can. A quick tip, a drop of hot glue on top of the guide post can be used to limit guide travel and front end bounce (is this allowed?).

 

Hope this info may be useful to you as it includes some issues the I have had to address latley in our own club racing.

 

Regards

 

Mat

Why race on any old figure 8 track when you could be racing on a track designed to replicate a piece of Australian motorsport history like Oran Park Raceway.

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Why not race everything as they come out of the box? :o Even for everyone and no questions. Illegal would be easily caught. People want this, people want that, stuff what people want, this is not a popularity contest. The organisers MUST have the final say, no discussion entered into. You don't like, you don't turn up. Holy crap there has been 95 Replies/Questions. SORRY folks just my thoughts. :huh:

 

For example:

Can you glue SCX motor pods? No, they did not come with glued motor pods, so simple.

Can you run MJK's. No,

Can I run a 47,00rpm Eurosport in my Artin CLK. Guess what!!

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Gort, Klaatu barada nikto.

 

My poor Krell!

After a million years of shining sanity...

they could hardly have understood what power was destroying them.

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Just to touch base on the sponsorship,Southern Modles here in Adelaide which is the scalextric importer for Australia is going to help out with some prizes for the scale nationals for the scalexric GT class. Thank you again.

 

Well i'm trying to round up support for this event and promote it any which way i can for Hornsby slot centre. In return all i ask is people come and join in and make it a great event. :)

 

regards shane a

 

team thunderbird

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Just to touch base on the sponsorship,Southern Modles here in Adelaide which is the scalextric importer for Australia is going to help out with some prizes for the scale nationals for the scalexric GT class. Thank you again.

 

Well i'm trying to round up support for this event and promote it any which way i can for Hornsby slot centre. In return all i ask is people come and join in and make it a great event. :)

 

regards shane a

 

team thunderbird

I agree totally. We just need iron clad rules set by the organisers, no one else. Accept the rules or be a spectator.

Gort, Klaatu barada nikto.

 

My poor Krell!

After a million years of shining sanity...

they could hardly have understood what power was destroying them.

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Shane and co are doing a fantastic job in the promotion and sponsorship for this event bravo, the sport will be all the better for this.

 

We at Thunderbird raceway are trying to get as many over as possible, Shane is giving this a big push and there is a lot of interest in SA. :D

 

There is going to be a lot of questions on the rules that is to be expected some of us don't run some of these cars. For interest I would not know what the best Scalextric car would be let alone know how to tune one. :huh: There again we at Thunderbird would probably have a bit of an advantage with the NSR's but never run weight. :P

 

As long as the rules are clear it really does not matter what they say we would have a blueprint for what the event is running. I am reading some of the questions with interest and if the organisers can keep us up-to-date on the answers all the better.

 

 

Looking forward to seeing you all there.

 

Regards

 

Ray

As Parnelli Jones the Indy 500 winner once said "If you are not out of control you are not going fast enough!"

 

2017 Plafit FLM Edurance Champion

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