2011 Scale Model Nationals

[Chadly]

the problem with stock cars (i'm talking ninco and SCX here) is that they don't all come the same out of the box.

the rims are ok now but the axel's, bearings and gears all vary on straightness.

you don't notice it with magnet cars.

[Bulsara]

the problem with stock cars (i'm talking ninco and SCX here) is that they don't all come the same out of the box.

the rims are ok now but the axel's, bearings and gears all vary on straightness.

you don't notice it with magnet cars.

Sorry Chadly, yeah let me clarify, there would be nothing wrong with blueprinting using the stock parts, either correct or replace. I'm sure everyone does a bit of this anyway.

 

Personally I have tried blueprinting cars but they usually end up slower, so I just run what I brung. Never a winner but competitive mid fielder.

Edited March 6, 2011 by Bulsara

[Bulsara]

bump

[paulthetexan]

Howdy

 

This may be a dopey question and a simple in or out answer will be fine , but with regard to the Ninco GT class is it open to all Ninco GT cars including the newer alloy wheels and podded variatey or is it for previous models with plastic wheels , solid chassis etc. ?

 

I don't have any of the later model cars but do not want to be behind the eight ball from the start if they are eligable and being raced by the majority . The rules say the wheels etc. have to be standard . No mention of material .

 

Help appreciated

 

Paul

[Guest jazzbell]

Howdy

 

This may be a dopey question and a simple in or out answer will be fine , but with regard to the Ninco GT class is it open to all Ninco GT cars including the newer alloy wheels and podded variatey or is it for previous models with plastic wheels , solid chassis etc. ?

 

I don't have any of the later model cars but do not want to be behind the eight ball from the start if they are eligable and being raced by the majority . The rules say the wheels etc. have to be standard . No mention of material .

 

Help appreciated

 

Paul

 

Hi Paul,

 

In the rules under BODY........ number 9.NO kits or prorace cars ect allowed.

This is refering to the cars released with alloy wheels, gears and the lexan cockpit.Some of the new releases with the podded chassies come with the new NC14 which you can not use either.Motor or podded chassie that is.

 

Standard release of wheels with the NC5 cars is plastic wheels.

 

In saying if anyone is to buy the DHL Mosler if you come across one they were released with an NC6 crusher as well. The car was'nt a prorace just came out wih a NC6.

 

regards shane a

 

team thunderbird

Edited March 8, 2011 by jazzbell

[Ratracer]

Hi all a quick clarification if you would be so kind.

 

I have just purchased an SCX Dodge NASCAR off of EBay and it arrived last week but was the digital form of the car. The digital pod comes out which also removes the metal rails (whic are part of the pod assembly) which provides power from the guide to the motor (I am reluctant to run the digital chip in the car as these can fail from my experience).

 

As you are allowed to also run a NINCO guide is it allowable to run the power wire from the guide and solder this directly on to the motor & or chicken leg contacts?

 

Ray

Edited March 9, 2011 by Ratracer

[lenny broke]

I'd be interested to see how you would run a Ninco guide in a SCX chassis without some major modifications to the original guide mount set up???

[stoo23]

Yes,..in regard to the Ninco GT's, as noted the rules Do state NC-5 motors Only,...but there Were releases of Moslers with the Clear Lexan chassis and Lexan interiors, that Did come with an NC-5, ie; the #50545 and recently released #50576 models.

These cars have Always been 'Legal' within the Ninco GT class where I have raced previously, as they come with Plastic wheels and are to all intents and purposes the same as Other Ninco GT's re Gear ratio, axles, wheels etc.

 

As Shane Noted, the Pro Race Lightened Models would Not be legal within that class, Nor would the More Recently released 'Podded' cars, which were Not even released when This Particular Set of Rules was written.

 

 

With regard to the Whole SCX Nascar Rule set,...some interesting Questions/Mods/suggestions have been raised, which at the moment, I have Not yet formulated a reply to resolve the 'Issues'.

 

Thinking about it though, especially regarding the 'Guide' etc, I am now in Two minds as to the 'Allowance' as stated in the rules about "Any Guide", etc, as I guess it Does Kinda make them Very Non Standard, because of 'The Rail' method of Power connection used in these cars.

 

I don't Want to Disenfranchise or upset anyone wanting to run in this class, but am thinking that perhaps Keeping them Standard, might be the Go.

 

As I have mentioned previously, I have Never even owned one of these cars, (although I Did purchase one today which was on Special at Armchair), so as I could Educate myself on the 'Build' etc of these cars,..SO,...I would be Most interested to Hear JUST How this Particular class and Structure, was Handled at the 2 x Previous MCN's!!

 

The class appears to be Popular and so am Very interested in Making it the Same as it was Previously!

 

As mentioned, the Rule Set, was basically as Described for the Last MCN at Mobile Raceways, which,..apart from overall Entrant numbers was Run quite successfully, so would be 'Pleased' to get some input from those that Did actually Compete in this class previously, Regarding the Various Guide, Pod and Other questions raised here.

 

Perhaps an Addendum to the SCX Nascar rules may Need to be 'Posted'.

 

I look forward to and await your replies regarding this particular matter, so we may be able to resolve a Workable Solution.

 

Cheers and thanks

Stewart

Edited March 9, 2011 by stoo23

[Bulsara]

Hey Guys and Gals,

Read the last couple of posts, then read this load of BS again.

 

Why not race everything as they come out of the box? Even for everyone and no questions. Illegal would be easily caught. People want this, people want that, stuff what people want, this is not a popularity contest. The organisers MUST have the final say, no discussion entered into. You don't like, you don't turn up. Holy crap there has been 95 Replies/Questions. SORRY folks just my thoughts.

 

For example:

Can you glue SCX motor pods? No, they did not come with glued motor pods, so simple.

Can you run MJK's. No,

Can I run a 47,00rpm Eurosport in my Artin CLK. Guess what!!

[Ratracer]

Hey Guys and Gals,

Read the last couple of posts, then read this load of BS again.

 

Why not race everything as they come out of the box? Even for everyone and no questions. Illegal would be easily caught. People want this, people want that, stuff what people want, this is not a popularity contest. The organisers MUST have the final say, no discussion entered into. You don't like, you don't turn up. Holy crap there has been 95 Replies/Questions. SORRY folks just my thoughts.

 

For example:

Can you glue SCX motor pods? No, they did not come with glued motor pods, so simple.

Can you run MJK's. No,

Can I run a 47,00rpm Eurosport in my Artin CLK. Guess what!!

 

 

 

Bulsara it is extremely important to have clarity on the rules and there interpretation, especially if you are acquiring new cars to set them up to run on an track that is unknown to many that will race with rules they are unfamiliar and travelling may thousands of kilometres to attend!!!!

 

More than happy for the for the organisers to have the final say, more than happy to run on the rules that they produce no question but there will always be questions and in the spirit of fair and equitable competition there must be clarity.

 

The job of the rule makers is not an enviable one and I am sure they do not want the event to become an America's Cup debacle. Shane, the Thunderbird crew from SA and I are very keen to attend and to make this a memorable and successful event. We want to make the whole experience a memorable one and hopefully the event will grow to a large and successful annual national event.

 

There will always be questions all we are seeking is clarity.

 

Ray

 

Team Thunderbird

[Bulsara]

Hey Guys and Gals,

Read the last couple of posts, then read this load of BS again.

 

Why not race everything as they come out of the box? Even for everyone and no questions. Illegal would be easily caught. People want this, people want that, stuff what people want, this is not a popularity contest. The organisers MUST have the final say, no discussion entered into. You don't like, you don't turn up. Holy crap there has been 95 Replies/Questions. SORRY folks just my thoughts.

 

For example:

Can you glue SCX motor pods? No, they did not come with glued motor pods, so simple.

Can you run MJK's. No,

Can I run a 47,00rpm Eurosport in my Artin CLK. Guess what!!

 

 

 

Bulsara it is extremely important to have clarity on the rules and there interpretation, especially if you are acquiring new cars to set them up to run on an track that is unknown to many that will race with rules they are unfamiliar and travelling may thousands of kilometres to attend!!!!

 

More than happy for the for the organisers to have the final say, more than happy to run on the rules that they produce no question but there will always be questions and in the spirit of fair and equitable competition there must be clarity.

 

The job of the rule makers is not an enviable one and I am sure they do not want the event to become an America's Cup debacle. Shane, the Thunderbird crew from SA and I are very keen to attend and to make this a memorable and successful event. We want to make the whole experience a memorable one and hopefully the event will grow to a large and successful annual national event.

 

There will always be questions all we are seeking is clarity.

 

Ray

 

Team Thunderbird

No MODS to a box stock car is as clear as you can get.

I am baffled, why doesn't box stock lead to clarity, I would have thought it was the closest to it.

You allow one component to be changed and the suggestions and protests grow from there.

I used to race at St Andrews Raceway. The very simple rules were set be Tony the track owner. They are basically: stock, stock, stock and downforce measured if magnet. So simple. Worked every week.

Edited March 10, 2011 by Bulsara

[Guest jazzbell]

Yes,..in regard to the Ninco GT's, as noted the rules Do state NC-5 motors Only,...but there Were releases of Moslers with the Clear Lexan chassis and Lexan interiors, that Did come with an NC-5, ie; the #50545 and recently released #50576 models.

These cars have Always been 'Legal' within the Ninco GT class where I have raced previously, as they come with Plastic wheels and are to all intents and purposes the same as Other Ninco GT's re Gear ratio, axles, wheels etc.

 

Sorry beg to differ on this one.

 

These 2 Ninco releases come with the lexan interiors and the OPENED can NC5. The rule states that the seal(MOTOR WRAPPER)must not be tampered with or modified in any way.(NO VENTING).People with out opened can motor are at a disadvantage as the open can works much better. Plenty of cars still out there with the old NC5 wrapped motors.

 

Last thing is the lightened cars comes with the lexan interior. 4 grams lighter than a standard interior. Plus it's a fact these bodies on any chassie make it a better handling car. Just another disadvantage to someone running a standard interior.

 

Note this is feed back is from guy's that know wrong from right and will be there.

 

Made some phone calls regarding the pod set up for the SCX NASCAR to clubs around Australia who race this class,all is in favour for gluing the pod. The other amendment to the rules should be NO NINCO REPLACEMENT GUIDE. To fit one of these in a car modes have to be made to chassie.

 

regards shane a

 

team thunderbird

Edited March 11, 2011 by jazzbell

[first corner crash]

So i am to understand the Nascars will have to run the standard guide? Probably fairer that way. Anyone who races them at club level and has perfected changing the guide tongue assembly would have an advantage both in performance and reliability.

( Have to make sure those pesky prongs are really in good contact with the braid now) As bad as the guide setup on the scx is if everyone has the same then it evens out.

 

I haven't bought a Ninco for this class yet so will wait and see what the outcome is.

[Bulsara]

So i am to understand the Nascars will have to run the standard guide? Probably fairer that way. Anyone who races them at club level and has perfected changing the guide tongue assembly would have an advantage both in performance and reliability.

( Have to make sure those pesky prongs are really in good contact with the braid now) As bad as the guide setup on the scx is if everyone has the same then it evens out.

 

I haven't bought a Ninco for this class yet so will wait and see what the outcome is.

Are you saying that the SCX NASCARS have to be "box stock"?

[Davnic74]

Last years nats at MR the scx nascars only had mjks your own choice of braid and wire could be soldered to the motor and onto the chassis power rails to stop power cutting out due to the pod movement.. Nothing else and it was the biggest class for entrants..

Maybe there is substance to the "kiss" format..hmmm

 

Ninco GT,

We all kept it simple, mjks some weight a pro guide.

Bottom line NO pro race cars or parts, lexan is pro race equip so No..

 

These rules are a basic tip to tuning a car if you will, the allowable mods like tyres and guides are there to help the car run better especially the guide rule with the sometimes wider slot of the commercial tracks being to much for the small 1/32 cars.

Changing the scx and scaly guide is too much of a modification, it's not a simple swap out like the Slotit or Ninco.

Edited March 10, 2011 by Davnic74

[Ratracer]

Hi Alan yes you are correct I had a look at the guide housing last night and it would require some re-engineering to get a NINCO guide into the chassis. After talking to Shane it looks like the rules will be changed to require the standard SCX guide that’s cool.

 

Bulsara with the greatest of respect nowhere in the rules does it state that the cars must be box standard, the intention appears to be close to standard and that is fine. The addition of weight, choice of guides (in some cases), braid, wire, restricted tyre selection and reasonable blue printing give a very strong indication that the cars will close to standard but not “Box Standard”, I believe that you are the only one promoting this!

Reading the posts from the organisers is heartening that they are reasonable and flexible enough to revise the rules as these issues come up – fantastic and well done to the hard working organisers.

 

This is a National Championship not Rookie racing, I am sure that most participants would not want to run “Box Standard” cars but have a reasonable standard of car to run based on good practice. It would be fantastic if the event and rules could evolve over the next couple of year to align with the overseas events like the NINCO World Cup, Italian Championship etc., there has been talk at our club about dong the NINCO World Cup but we lack a suitable qualifying event here in Oz.

 

You comment about the number of posts querying the rules, I think that this is very positive and is an indication on the interest in this event. This discourse in my opinion should be encouraged. Please don’t stifle the discussion.

 

Bulsara are you going to be racing at this event?

 

Regards

 

Ray

[shodan]

I thought Ninco GT was a 'sorted' class across the country?

 

NC5 with wrapper intact, red plastic gears, standard black chassis, standard interior, standard plastic wheels, stock or mjk tyres, chassis bracing kung-fu of your choice..

 

edit: + weight and blueprinting?

Edited March 11, 2011 by shodan

[jimmyslots 1950]

Just another tip for the SCX Nascars.At Hornsby you will have to switch the lead wires to run in the clockwise direction.The rules state you can use any lead wire but you will have to insulate the chicken legs to stop them shorting out.

Edited March 11, 2011 by jimmyslots 1950

[stoo23]

Hey Jim,..Actually NO !!!

 

No Guide Lead Re-wiring will be necessary on any of the 1/32 Plastic cars, as we intend to change the Track Wiring to suit, so as all the 1/32 scale cars can run in the 'Desired' and Correct direction, without having to change anything on them, as I figured having to do that would just create angst and problems, as it Isn't all that Easy to effectively change for the technically challenged !!,..lol

 

It WILL ofcourse, mean that the Plafit cars Will require to have Their lead wires changed to suit,..but as you are obviously aware,..That Is an Easy task !!

 

BUT,..that is ONLY for Cars that have been set up to run on HSC Previously!!

Everyone elses cars from Other tracks around the country, will already be wired Correctly.

 

(HSC, is and has been Wired REVERSE to all other tracks,..just a Left-over from times well past !!,..lol)

 

Cheers

Stewart

Edited March 11, 2011 by stoo23

[Mohawkk]

Hi Guys,

2 questions

1, when do you plan on having the rules finalised?

2, when do you start taking entries?

 

 

Cheers

Kai

[stoo23]

I thought Ninco GT was a 'sorted' class across the country?

 

Well,..Yes,..I would have to say you are probably correct.

 

I may have clouded the 'issue' somewhat, with my references to the particular Mosler's I mentioned.

In fact, I was under the belief that the Newer NC-5's, were as fitted to those Moslers, but after checking, it would seem not.

 

The 'Lightened' Ninco's, specifically the Moslers, have what IS Badged as an NC-5 motor, but Only have a Pink label on the Bottom side of the Motor and the Holes in the Can are Open.

The 'Normal' ?? (for want of a better word,..NC-5, apparently Still has a Pink 'Wrapper' that Encloses BOTH Can Holes, as it was in earlier models.

 

Perhaps Ninco should have given the Open Can NC-5's a slightly different nomenclature, so as to Avoid confusion.

 

(A bit of a bummer for myself, as having recently Moved, I cannot find my Older Ninco's,..apart from my 'Lightened' version Mosler,..DOH !!,..was kinda hoping I wouldn't Have to Buy a New car for the event!!,..will have to Dig through the Other Boxes to find them I guess,..lol)

 

[stoo23]

Hi Guys,

2 questions

1, when do you plan on having the rules finalised?

2, when do you start taking entries?

 

Hi Kai,..well,..apart from a few Subtle details concerning the Ninco GT and especially the SCX Nascar Classes, the Rules are to all intents and purposes, Finalised.

Any 'Additions' and/or 'Corrections' will be Posted here, with obviously Final versions of the rules for those classes Posted on the ASCRA web site, which I hope to have done very soon!

 

Spoke with James Colfax today about Entries and will discuss this with him over the weekend, so will hopefully have an answer and entry form available asap.

 

 

Also,..Thanks Very Much for your 'Info' re the Previous MCN Davnic,..much appreciaated !!,..

 

Cheers

Stewart

Edited March 11, 2011 by stoo23

[Bulsara]

Hi Alan yes you are correct I had a look at the guide housing last night and it would require some re-engineering to get a NINCO guide into the chassis. After talking to Shane it looks like the rules will be changed to require the standard SCX guide that’s cool.

 

Bulsara with the greatest of respect nowhere in the rules does it state that the cars must be box standard, the intention appears to be close to standard and that is fine. The addition of weight, choice of guides (in some cases), braid, wire, restricted tyre selection and reasonable blue printing give a very strong indication that the cars will close to standard but not “Box Standard”, I believe that you are the only one promoting this!

Reading the posts from the organisers is heartening that they are reasonable and flexible enough to revise the rules as these issues come up – fantastic and well done to the hard working organisers.

 

This is a National Championship not Rookie racing, I am sure that most participants would not want to run “Box Standard” cars but have a reasonable standard of car to run based on good practice. It would be fantastic if the event and rules could evolve over the next couple of year to align with the overseas events like the NINCO World Cup, Italian Championship etc., there has been talk at our club about dong the NINCO World Cup but we lack a suitable qualifying event here in Oz.

 

You comment about the number of posts querying the rules, I think that this is very positive and is an indication on the interest in this event. This discourse in my opinion should be encouraged. Please don’t stifle the discussion.

 

Bulsara are you going to be racing at this event?

 

Regards

 

Ray

Yes.

Interestingly my initial post was only a suggestion, just like everyone else, but seems to have taken on a life of itself.

We will agree to disagree about the affect of the number of queries about the rules.

Just because I am the only one promoting "box stock" does not mean I can't do it, does it.

I would say, "see you on the track", but I am a crap driver so would lose the argument.

Do we have a date????

 

I have the following cars:

1/32 Slot.it

1/32 GT Ninco

1/32 SCX Nascar

1/32 NSR Mosler

1/32 GT scalextric

1/32 Plafit DIV 1 and DIV 2

Edited March 11, 2011 by Bulsara

[Ratracer]

Hi Bulsara yes hope to be on the same flight as Shane but still need to book my flights which I should do some time next week.

 

At this satage intend to run all 1/32 classes except for the Plafits (have never ran these but will have a look to see what is involved in the 1/32 classes Shane has the full set 1/32 and 1/24 Plafit) The Plafit classes are currently being pushed by Shane at our club for future consideration so this would be a great intro for those of us attending from Thunderbird Raceway.

 

Currently getting all new cars for this evern with the exception of the NSR's have too many of these at present, we run diffent classes/car regs to this event and have never ran weighted cars so will be starting from scratch with most of the classes thus the reson for all of the questions. Any sugestions for a competative scalextric car for this track??? appart from some NASCARs and American Muscle (that we no longer run) we don't run Scaleys any more. Just need a Scaley to make a full collection but will probably bring a couple of spares as well as backup.

 

See you all there.

 

Ray

Edited March 13, 2011 by Ratracer

[Bulsara]

At this stage intend to run all 1/32 classes except for the Plafits (have never ran these but will have a look to see what is involved in the 1/32 classes Shane has the full set 1/32 and 1/24 Plafit). The Plafit classes are currently being pushed by Shane at our club for future consideration so this would be a great intro for those of us attending from Thunderbird Raceway.

Hi Ray,

I have a fairly poorly prepared Plafit 1/32. You are more than welcome to use this car on the weekend. I am even willing to send it to you early so you have time to fix it. It is as good as new I just don't know how to setup the bloody things. All I require is to benefit from your setup once you are finished with it.

Regards,

Brian

ps. This is a serious offer, I just need a postal address.