Nsw 1/24 Scaleauto State Endurance Championships

[Springbok Racer]

The track is the Johnson Flat track - only track I know of with "back to front" wiring so you will have to swap your lead wires.

 

Hi Kim,

 

So if nobody at HSC is currently running these cars, then why don't we run the track anti-clock wise and nobody will have to change anything on their cars. According to Jimmy the track runs perfectly that way around too.

 

Who knows, we may even get lucky. If the guys at HSC start to run these cars they may run them anti-clock wise in future ....... LOL

 

Cheers,

 

Jan

[Sammi]

Cheers everyone, track looks fantastic. Not sure I like the idea of swapping lead wires though.

[axman]

Thanks for posting the pic Jimmy..

 

Re Sammi's - quote - Not sure I like the idea of swapping lead wires though.

Suck it up Sammi, We've been swapping lead wire's for nearly 50 years at HSC.. maybe thats their business secret of success!

Seriously though, there is a Plafit Can Am event on the same Saturday night.. (good practise race for out of towners) and would definately get messy with cars practising in opposite directions.

Edited November 19, 2012 by axman

[Davnic74]

Kim, is this CanAm event open to tourists?? : ^ ) .edit read rest of post..

I raced on this track clockwise and I personally think it may be better the other way..

Either way I'm looking forward to it...

Edited November 19, 2012 by Davnic74

[axman]

quote from Davnic74 - is CanAm event open to Tourists??

 

Spoke to James about this when we were planing the event. You are welcome to race but it has to be to NSW Plafit rules..

"Historic" Can Am means just that.. Historic - right thru to the original 1300 chassis, so non of the new bits that were released just before the APC. Any further discussion re NSW Plafit rules can be found elsewhere - this is all about Scaleauto..

As for driving which direction.. I personally find it is a nicer track to drive clockwise... the way Gary J intended it to be..

Edited November 20, 2012 by axman

[Springbok Racer]

And yes, having driven the track both ways I agree, it is a nicer track to drive the way Gary J intended it to be.

 

What is this, the best track wiring man in the country, admitting the track drives better anti-clockwise - AND NOT OFFERING TO RE-WIRE THE TRACK FOR US..........LOL

 

Dave, we'll just have to stand on our heads and drive anti-clock wise mate......LOL

 

Anyway, this is going to be a great event and it will be good to catch up with all of you again. At least with all the local HSC racing going on, we'll get lots of social in between.......and now I'd better focus on the intended purpose of this thread, or I'll get some of my own medicine.

 

Cheers,

 

Jan

[stoo23]

In regard to Some of the Above,..NO,..the track IS running in the Direction Gary J designed it to run AND how it has Always been run,..it is simply that the Wiring is the Reverse of Elsewhere,..perhaps Sadly,..a 'Quirk' of History.

 

Apart from the regular Scalextric racers,...about the ONLY time racing was held in the Opposite direction, was for the 2011 MCN,..(Due to the difficulty in Changing most of the Cars' wiring so as to race in the Normal direction).

 

At the time,..I Had discussed the Changing of the Track wiring,..(which Obviously Didn't happen) and even though it IS in theory quite a simple 'process', I would NOT be Holding Your Breath waiting for it to Happen.

 

Whilst perhaps it Could be argued that the Track drives OK in the 'Wrong' direction, it Does drive Very Well in the 'correct' direction and,..personally,...if this 8Hour race had been Announced as being held in Reverse direction, Especially with it costing me $50.00 for the ,..Joy !!??,..,..I would Not have said Yes.

 

Having Raced on the Track (Since New) and many times in the ensuing Years,...and Pretty regularly over the last few,...I have Yet to become 'Bored' !!

[Garry J]

Both the Hornsby tracks are wired backwards. Why? Because all Sydney tracks were wired backwards many years ago. Hornsby is just the last one standing.

 

The track runs clockwise, all you out of towners just suck it up and change your lead wires.

Edited November 19, 2012 by Garry J

[Davnic74]

There will be a team from Victoria attending.

Greg C

David S

And in talks with a 3rd driver!!! :^ )

 

Please add Garry J to team Phoenix.

 

[lenny broke]

I'm not involved with any of this but may I makea suggestion

If you don't want to change your contoller wiring, you could make up "patch harness" from a male, a female plug and a short piece of flex. wire the male end to match the plug on you controller and the female end to match the track wiring. that way if you ever go back there you can use it again with out rewiring your controller.

We did something similar some years ago at a nationals race in Queensland where the track was wired with round earth pins and we had standard plugs fitted.

 

regards

Alan

[stoo23]

Ah,..Just to 'Clarify' it is ONLY the 'Lead Wires' of the Car that need to be changed,...your Controllers will work fine.

[lenny broke]

Oops OK Stu, I'll get out of the way now.

[stoo23]

Hey It's OK,... ,..I just didn't want to create a Whirlwind of Concerns/dilemas etc,..

 

Your suggestion Was Good and is in Fact what WE do when we race at SSME, as they have different Track plugs.

 

Cheers,

[jimmyslots 1950]

Gary Johnson a Mexican! now I've got to see that.

And racing for team Phoenix.

 

 

Definitions of Phoenix

 

 

noun

1. a legendary Arabian bird said to set fire to itself and rise anew from the ashes every 500 years
   
2. a person or thing of surpassing beauty or quality
   

Me thinks Gary's the bird.

[Springbok Racer]

Gary Johnson a Mexican! now I've got to see that.

And racing for team Phoenix.

 

 

Definitions of Phoenix

 

 

noun

1. a legendary Arabian bird said to set fire to itself and rise anew from the ashes every 500 years
   
2. a person or thing of surpassing beauty or quality
   

Me thinks Gary's the bird.

 

......see, this is what I mean, great guys to race with........

 

Go on Jim, I need to laugh some more mate.

 

Cheers,

 

Jan

[Chris1810]

Gary Johnson a Mexican! now I've got to see that.

And racing for team Phoenix.

 

 

Definitions of Phoenix

 

 

noun

1. a legendary Arabian bird said to set fire to itself and rise anew from the ashes every 500 years
   
2. a person or thing of surpassing beauty or quality
   

Me thinks Gary's the bird.

 

......see, this is what I mean, great guys to race with........

 

Go on Jim, I need to laugh some more mate.

 

Cheers,

 

Jan

 

Looks like JImmy has already locked in his normal 4th place finish.

[Camber]

He's just been pacing himself Chris, he should peak right about Feb next year!

If he drives like he did last Thursday night, he'll give us all a driving lesson.

Edited November 20, 2012 by Camber

[Garry J]

I think that, like many of us, Jim peaked in a February long ago and far, far away.

[Springbok Racer]

I think that, like many of us, Jim peaked in a February long ago and far, far away.

 

This event is getting better by the minute. Garry, perhaps you, Jimmie and me can just go and sit somewhere and talk about our peak. In fact if we do this, and others that fall in the same category as us, join in - then we can have a virtual enduro and make space for guys who may still need to peak in the real thing......

 

Cheers,

 

JanR

[jimmyslots 1950]

Hey Jan,my spies in Qld sent me this action pic of Gary hard at training for the upcoming 8 hour enduro.

All decked out in official Team Phoenix racing suit,not too sure about the Maroon jumper,maybe Dave & Greg had to bow a little to get him to sign on.

At this early stage Team Phoenix have pulled of a masterstroke in signing Gary,a lot of teams have included drivers with good knowlege of the Hornsby track.

Not Team Phoenix they went to the top & got the track inventor,designer,builder so he should know his way around & be an asset to an already very strong team.

Cheers Jimmy

[Springbok Racer]

Hey Jan,my spies in Qld sent me this action pic of Gary hard at training for the upcoming 8 hour enduro.

All decked out in official Team Phoenix racing suit,not too sure about the Maroon jumper,maybe Dave & Greg had to bow a little to get him to sign on.

Cheers Jimmy

 

Just love it.......is this the pot calling the kettle black? Somehow we have to get some home advantage back for the Maroons, especially after the State of Origin bugger up for 2013.......oeps, better stick with the purpose of this thread.

 

Can anyone let us know how the handout motor situation is handled? Do we get to pull them from a hat, or do we get a bunch to choose from? Or do we simply get handed a motor? I was not in Adelaide, so please bear with me. Then after we've got our handout motor, how long do we have to fit the motor? Is this done under supervision?

 

Cheers,

 

Jan

Edited November 21, 2012 by Springbok Racer

[Guest jazzbell]

[Can anyone let us know how the handout motor situation is handled? Do we get to pull them from a hat, or do we get a bunch to choose from? Or do we simply get handed a motor? I was not in Adelaide, so please bear with me. Then after we've got our handout motor, how long do we have to fit the motor? Is this done under supervision?

 

Cheers,

 

Jan

 

The 8 handout motors will be painted and engraved and all placed back in the Nsr packets.

 

The handout of the motors will be at 4pm, Saturday the 23rd,1 member from each team comes and draws out of hat.

 

Each team has 30 minutes to fit motor and get car ready. Teams must supply pinion of choice,remember it's a 10T pinion.

 

4.30pm to 4.50pm,will be a 20 minute shake down for all 8 teams to make sure car and motor is right .NOTE,ANY TEAM THAT IS NOT HAPPY WITH MOTOR,you have the choice to purchase another at your teams cost,BUT will not be able to test or run it. The second motor will go in your car ready to qualify with on the Sunday.

 

5pm scrutineering ,followed by concourse while cars are together .Cars will be then placed in lockdown overnight.

 

regards shane a

 

team thunderbird

Edited November 21, 2012 by jazzbell

[Garry J]

Shane and Jan,

 

I know the rules are in a state of flux but can we have some clarification on tyre rules soon.

 

The rules as posted by Jan - (e) Rear wheels are always RTR Scale Auto SC-2421P ProComp 3 wheels with 27,5mm OD, 13.0mm wide.

 

Does this mean the minimum starting diameter is 27.5mm?

 

Before I get some unflattering comments, the rule as written requires that the rear tyres "are always" 27.5mm. As this is impossible without changing tyres every 20 laps I assume the 27.5mm is just part of the specification of the type of wheel/tyre and not a size requirement.

 

There is nothing in the rules about front wheel diameter.

 

FYI - there will be a barrister among the entrants if interpretation of the rules is required. (and before someone posts the obvious joke, he's an officer of the court, he doesn't make coffee. Well actually he does make very nice coffee but you have to do a lot of sucking up to get one)

[Guest jazzbell]

Shane and Jan,

 

I know the rules are in a state of flux but can we have some clarification on tyre rules soon.

 

The rules as posted by Jan - (e) Rear wheels are always RTR Scale Auto SC-2421P ProComp 3 wheels with 27,5mm OD, 13.0mm wide.

 

Does this mean the minimum starting diameter is 27.5mm?

 

Before I get some unflattering comments, the rule as written requires that the rear tyres "are always" 27.5mm. As this is impossible without changing tyres every 20 laps I assume the 27.5mm is just part of the specification of the type of wheel/tyre and not a size requirement.

 

There is nothing in the rules about front wheel diameter.

 

FYI - there will be a barrister among the entrants if interpretation of the rules is required. (and before someone posts the obvious joke, he's an officer of the court, he doesn't make coffee. Well actually he does make very nice coffee but you have to do a lot of sucking up to get one)

 

Gary,The part number is SC-2421P which is the 27.5mm x13mm procomp 3 is the wheel and tyre we have to use,diameter of wheel and tyre is not that during the race, start or end.  The ground clearance is all that matters as long as you use the wheel and tyres stated as above and have your 1.8mm start height and 1.4mm finish height.  Note most of us true these when their new anyway as their not perfectly round.regards shane ateam thunderbird

Edited December 6, 2012 by jazzbell

[Springbok Racer]

Garry,

 

I agree with Shane, the part numbers are quoted to make it clear which part the guys should start with. Only when we have hand out tyres can we insist on a starting diameter. So we all start with the 27.5mm OD on the rear and after some practice we may be down to 27.2mm OD - all good, BUT the ride height to start the race must still be at least 1.8mm.

 

As for the OD of the fronts, Part number SC-2715P - these are 26.5mm. Good point, we will include the size specifications in the final rule update.

 

Cheers,

 

Jan

Edited December 6, 2012 by Springbok Racer