gazza Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Quote Quickly read this post before it is deleted or i turn grey again Gary http://www.facebook.com/Rallyproxy2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaparral Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Geez Gazza where'd you come across this old article - one of my fave designers and the 2C is a particular favourite from all the models designed built and raced by Jim Hall Hap Sharp Roger Penske Jackie Stewart etal. The involvement by GM was primarily supplying the 7 litre Chevrolet motors and the auto transmission nothing more and thats from the horses mouth. Over the last 8/9 years Ive built up a friendship with a few key people from the original Can Am series 1966-74 including Marylyn Halder (she was married to Oscar Kovaleski who raced primarily Mclaren variations through the entire series (from memory there were 171 races over that period) and she still has a big input the Can Am historic races each year she also has a website on the period http://www.foxyventures.com/ Weve spoken many times about the period and a lot about Jim Hall and the Chaparral story - Marylyn even gave me Halls ph number and tee'd it up for me to give him a call as she has been long time friends with the Halls but Im a bit old school I thought it a bit forward some bloke from Australia ringing one of his heroes! so I havent to date but I may at some stage. Ive spoken to Pete Lyons http://www.petelyons.com/ also he basically lived the period and wrote the definitive Can Am book - the hard back version isnt available but its been reprinted in soft cover and I highly recommend it to anyone. Pete writes for Autoweek in the US and is hooked up with a lot of the historic meets and has driven some amazing machines including the UOP Shadow Can Am car which he said took your breath away with 8 litres sitting in the back of a chassis weighing 600 kgs - as it would. Theres plenty of other info around including this official site in Texas Chaparral Cars http://www.chaparralcars.com/2e.php Id love to visit at some stage. Jim Hall was a brilliant designer/engineer but he certainly had a small close knit team of people around him including Jim Musser who played a big part in things. Thanks for posting this Gazza good stuff I also have around 160 (mostly B&W some colour) photos from the series (as well as the USAC series of the same period) that were taken by a very good friend of mine Lloyd Petty - he was a photo journalist in the Korean War and at 83 his health is failing sadly but a brilliant photographer and he had access to all areas as he worked for the USCCA at the time - Lloyd sent them to me so they wont be lost over time. These photos have never seen the light of day never been published and one day I will have them put into the public domain - there are some brilliant candid shots of Jimmy Clark Jim Hall Graham Hill John Surtees Denny Hulme Bruce Mclaren etc - just brilliant. Quote 'The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs - there's also the negative side' - Hunter S Thompson www.capricornmedia.com.au On-line DVD sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I also have around 160 (mostly B&W some colour) photos from the series (as well as the USAC series of the same period) that were taken by a very good friend of mine Lloyd Petty - he was a photo journalist in the Korean War and at 83 his health is failing sadly but a brilliant photographer and he had access to all areas as he worked for the USCCA at the time - Lloyd sent them to me so they wont be lost over time. These photos have never seen the light of day never been published and one day I will have them put into the public domain - there are some brilliant candid shots of Jimmy Clark Jim Hall Graham Hill John Surtees Denny Hulme Bruce Mclaren etc - just brilliant. Hey Chaparral What ever hapend to these pic's, did you set them up in a public domain site? if so can you put up the link, if not get your finger out and do it! Quote Quickly read this post before it is deleted or i turn grey again Gary http://www.facebook.com/Rallyproxy2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Slo Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) Thanks for the Great stories you posting up there Gazza ! This is the link to the 2J Phil built from scratch. My link Edited July 24, 2011 by slo1quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalbfellp Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 My 2j has recently had a bath in some silicon, see Lims NZ Proxy car, Quote Phil https://www.hobartminiaturecarclub.com/ Email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 http://youtu.be/rWzUsW18k3c Quote Quickly read this post before it is deleted or i turn grey again Gary http://www.facebook.com/Rallyproxy2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisfromcrewe Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Great history. For anyone wanting to take it further this is the definitive publication. Written by Dave Friedman with a forward by Jim Hall. 208 pages of pictures, some in colour of just about every Chaparral car ever. I think I got my copy from Amazon. Edited February 24, 2012 by chrisfromcrewe Quote Ashes to ashes funk to funky we all know Chris is a junkie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriticalTimes Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Good on ya for sharing that with us. Reading those articles is pretty inspirational. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gto Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 you missed this one Chaparral 2H Jim Halls chunky Chaparral 2H of 1969 is possibly my favourite race car. Its possibly John Surtees' least favourite race car. I wouldn’t go as far as to say I consider this a pretty car, but it is extreme in every way, which really summarizes the Can-Am itself. I love its Laguna Seca big wing guise the most, although I'm guessing by the fact its not fitted to the restored example, the big wing was never part of Halls plans. Up to the arrival of the 2H in 1969, Hall had gotten most things right in the Can-Am. His cars weren’t always reliable, and won just a single race in the 5 years they competed in the series. But many of his ground breaking creations did prove successful in their concept and functionality, if not on Halls own cars, then on the cars raced by other teams that had adopted his ideas. It was Halls intention to win races and championships, not be the guinea pig who tested radical concepts for others to benefit from. But in some ways, that’s how the Chaparral Can-Am cars are remembered. In the Can-Am, Jim Hall was the ultimate pioneer. Hall suffered severe injuries to his legs at the final race of the 1968 season at Las Vegas, when his 2G ran into the back of the slowing Lothar Motschenbacher McLaren, sending the Chaparral skyward. The injuries sustained to Halls legs brought about the decision to place another driver in his car for the ’69 season. This driver was John Surtees, winner of the inaugural Can-Am championship, and World Champion in both cars and on motorbikes. The 2H was intended to appear in 1968, but delays in its development meant the older 2G, effectively a modified version of the 1966 2E, would be pressed back into duty for another season. The 2H was radical in many ways. It was originally intended to have a fully enclosed cockpit, with the driver sat extremely low in the car. A forward facing windscreen and windows cut into the sides of the bodywork allowed for forward and side visibility, and a set of elaborate mirrors took care of the remaining blind spots, of which there were plenty. The car featured a very short wheelbase, of just 85.5”, and was also very narrow, while rear tyres were a massive 20” in width. Rear suspension was a chunky de Dion style, with a large alloy beam split in the middle, and linked by a big U-joint. Hall figured that during cornering in an independently sprung car, the inside wheels do little work, with just the inner edges touching the track, so the de Dion would better place those inside wheels firmly on the road, increasing cornering power. And with the wheels pressing firmly into the track in corners, he could make the car narrower, so it’d be faster in a straight line. Unlike previous Chaparrals which were fitted with a rear aerofoil mounted up high above the car on tall struts attached directly to the rear hubs (and which had been adopted by just about every other team in the series by 1969), the 2H had a low flipper wing set directly at the rear bodywork. The intention for this wing was that as it was pushed downward and placed a load onto the rear suspension, hydraulic cylinders would resist, to keep the chassis attitude unchanged, like a form of active suspension. When Hall tested the 2H himself around his own Rattlesnake Raceway, it eventually went quicker than the older 2G. However, when it finally debuted in the Can-Am, at Edmonton, round 4 of the 1969 season, and with Surtees at the wheel, it was 3 sec slower than Hall had been in the 2G the previous year. When Surtees first saw the 2H, he immediately demanded the seating position be raised, with a hole cut in the bodywork so he could see out over the top of the car. Hall would later comment that this decision raised the centre of gravity, making the car unstable. Surtees commented its narrow track and short wheelbase made it unpredictable, that it couldn’t be driven anywhere near the limit, and that the reason it was so fast around Rattlesnake Raceway was due to the smooth surface of the track, which was unlike most of those on the Can-Am calendar. It regularly bucked up onto two side wheels when cornering. Either way, it never looked like becoming a race winner. Hall provided Surtees with a customer McLaren M12 for the opening three races of the ’69 Can-Am while the modifications were being made to the 2H, as Surtees had requested. He would race the 2H just five times, the nearest he got to pole position with the car was a massive 4.3 sec shy at Mid Ohio. At Riverside for the penultimate round of the series, he qualified nearly 10 sec off pole. The engine failed after 4 laps, and he climbed out of the car and quit. Should Surtees have followed blindly and just persevered, hoping the Chaparral team would eventually extract potential form this car? Easy for me to say, I'm not the one with a 700hp big block Chevy strapped to my back and a set of elaborate mirrors as my only means to see whats going on around me. The fact was, he didn’t need to. He’d achieved greatness in the sport at the highest level, and was winding down his career. Had Hall plugged a lesser known driver into the car, who would have just accepted what he was told, would the 2H have reached its full potential? Or was this just a bad idea? In the 40 years since the 2H was built, race teams have usually built their cars as wide as the rules would allow, which suggests a very narrow race car is not the way to go. But we'll never know. It raced just five times, then was pushed into a quiet corner of Halls workshop, and quickly forgotten about, while its successor, the even more radical 2J “sucker car” put the fear of God into the Can-Am fraternity when it debuted in 1970. Quote I do whatever the voices in my head tell me to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoo23 Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Being a bit of a Jim Hall and Chaparral fan myself and 'noting' the comments in the first 'posted' article about the "Auto" gearbox,..I thought perhaps you guys might like this; Being; An interview with legendary Jim Hall of Chaparral Cars at the Toyota Grand Prix weekend in Long Beach, April 13-15, 2012. Introduction by Sam Posey, interview by Bobby Rahal. Enjoy! Cheers Quote https://ascra.com.au/ https://aussieretro.ascra.com.au/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr Ford Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) There is an entire wing of the American Petroleum Museum in Midland Texas dedicated to the Chapparals . Once a month they take one out into the carpark and fire it up and drive it around the carpark . Jim Hall who still lives in Midland makes the odd appearance aswell . It is only a 5 minute drive outof town on route 349 to Ratlesnake Raceway too , and let me tel you it well and truly lives up to it's name . http://petroleummuseum.org/ http://petroleummuse...llery-exhibits/ https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Midland,+Texas,+United+States&hl=en&ll=31.972219,-102.084516&spn=0.00455,0.004823&sll=-32.830735,147.451465&sspn=13.03918,19.753418&oq=midland+texas&hnear=Midland,+Texas,+United+States&t=h&z=18&iwloc=lyrftr:h,17886828797173629695,31.97226,-102.085304 https://maps.google....States&t=h&z=15 Edited November 30, 2013 by Mr Ford Quote The older I get the faster I was . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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