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[Ember]

K.

 

Serious question time again. If the ferrodore is as harsh as you all say, both in texture and vapour, why is it still the favoured surface? Surely there are less 'demanding' surfaces available that provide a similar grip level? I know you are a proper racer and as such have assessed many surface types. So, what is so special about ferradore?? Why is there no substitute?

[Davnic74]

That looks terriffic Dave.

 

Did you mask off the slot and shoulders for the braid before painitng?

 

Cheers,

 

Steve

 

G'day Steve,

 

Thank's, i did mask the lane recess as they have colour and with the last track i didnt and the colour was covered with Ferrodor after the first coat, the white line is masked as well, straight on the white undercoat and lifted whilst still wet.

You in the new house yet, havnt seen you around here for a while.

 

 

K.

 

Serious question time again. If the ferrodore is as harsh as you all say, both in texture and vapour, why is it still the favoured surface? Surely there are less 'demanding' surfaces available that provide a similar grip level? I know you are a proper racer and as such have assessed many surface types. So, what is so special about ferradore?? Why is there no substitute?

 

Good question, to be honest i have just gone with everyone else on this one.

When i started club racing 4 yrs ago all the tracks where Ferrodor, Ged's as well.

Alot of the tracks used to be Chalk board paint and Enamel which worked for Silicones but i have no idea why they all changed to Ferrodor i must ask some of the older club guys this Tuesday night.

There is substitutes but when everyone is racing on one surface its difficult to set a car up to run on something you dont have.

The vapour only last a few day's and the texture is harsh but we try not to roll em..

Edited September 5, 2010 by Davnic74

[Yngwie]

K.

 

Serious question time again. If the ferrodore is as harsh as you all say, both in texture and vapour, why is it still the favoured surface? Surely there are less 'demanding' surfaces available that provide a similar grip level? I know you are a proper racer and as such have assessed many surface types. So, what is so special about ferradore?? Why is there no substitute?

 

Further to Daves comments, I had flat acryllic paint on my first track and it only suited MJK's and some slot.its but needed to be clean! This meant I was cleaning the track almost daily to get good grip. With Ferrodor, almost all tyres hook up well and it doesnt not need much cleaning. !

 

Regards

 

John

[Ontheflipside]

Micro shot of Ferrodor

 

 

IMO Most like it because it resembles the hot bitumen look and it does have great grip. Some apply a coat of clear over it to reduce the sharpness. A water based clear like Cabots Cabothane Water Based is ideal. Ferrodor needs to be dry at least 7 days before coating with the water based clear. Water based - as it does not have the high film build as that of a turps based.

 

Embs, the Ferrodor does not have any more nasties than most oil based enamels we paint or doors and wood work inside our house. (that doesn't mean we shouldn't avoid the fumes)

 

I found black board paint got too slippery after a while as it wore down. The Ferrodor (brushed on nice and smooth) will rubber up after a while taking away some of the "sharpness".

Edited September 5, 2010 by Ontheflipside

[Paul NZ]

Micro shot of Ferrodor

 

 

IMO Most like it because it resembles the hot bitumen look and it does have great grip. Some apply a coat of clear over it to reduce the sharpness. A water based clear like Cabots Cabothane Water Based is ideal. Ferrodor needs to be dry at least 7 days before coating with the water based clear. Water based - as it does not have the high film build as that of a turps based.

 

Embs, the Ferrodor does not have any more nasties than most oil based enamels we paint or doors and wood work inside our house. (that doesn't mean we shouldn't avoid the fumes)

 

I found black board paint got too slippery after a while as it wore down. The Ferrodor (brushed on nice and smooth) will rubber up after a while taking away some of the "sharpness".

 

Dave you mention that you will run Mini Z and Nascar Plafits, what tires? foam or rubber? how do the foam tires last on Ferrodor?

 

Looks likea great short track, should be nice and fast too!

[knoath]

I dare say foam tyres wouldn't last too long on Ferrodore Paul!

Depends on the grade of course...

 

Looks good Dave!...

[kalbfellp]

I first used Ferrodor as track surface in 1967,then tyres and even foam tyres was hard compared to what is available today so it gave good grip. Guys have just continued to use it. The softer tyres that have become available over the last 8 years or so will work well on other surfaces ONCE the surface has some rubber on it. My track IS ferrodor on it BUT has 4 coats of satin clear over the top so looks like ferrodor but grips like satin enamel,the same as the other tracks down here.

Once a group has a few tracks with a particular surface on it it is hard to be the odd track out.

We seldom change tyres because of wear.

[Davnic74]

Paul,

We use plafit black donuts for all classes.

I have found the wear to be around the same as urethane tyres, but cheaper to replace the foam tyres.

 

Micro shot of Ferrodor

 

 

IMO Most like it because it resembles the hot bitumen look and it does have great grip. Some apply a coat of clear over it to reduce the sharpness. A water based clear like Cabots Cabothane Water Based is ideal. Ferrodor needs to be dry at least 7 days before coating with the water based clear. Water based - as it does not have the high film build as that of a turps based.

 

Embs, the Ferrodor does not have any more nasties than most oil based enamels we paint or doors and wood work inside our house. (that doesn't mean we shouldn't avoid the fumes)

 

I found black board paint got too slippery after a while as it wore down. The Ferrodor (brushed on nice and smooth) will rubber up after a while taking away some of the "sharpness".

 

Dave you mention that you will run Mini Z and Nascar Plafits, what tires? foam or rubber? how do the foam tires last on Ferrodor?

 

Looks likea great short track, should be nice and fast too!

Edited September 6, 2010 by Davnic74

[Davnic74]

Have had some time on the track today and managed to get the braid completed, i went for C/A instead of the 3M tape.

Much better hold and easier than i thought it would be.

 

Should be running by Saturday arvo, just waiting on Middys to get my recessed male hand control plugs in.

 

Edited September 8, 2010 by Davnic74

[miveson]

Looks fantastic David - you seem to have done this in no time at all....

[pk751]

running by saturday so do i have to bolt startline program down

[triggy]

C/A for fixing the braid? Davnic, please explain!

 

BTW, great looking simple layout, done in no time!

[Davnic74]

Looks fantastic David - you seem to have done this in no time at all....

Thanks, Mark.... I do have the habit of rushing things sometimes, i couldnt handle not having a track

 

running by saturday so do i have to bolt startline program down

 

Nah your safe, Steve expects to have one for this weekend..

 

C/A for fixing the braid? Davnic, please explain!

 

BTW, great looking simple layout, done in no time!

 

Thanks Triggy,

C/A is contact adhesive/ laminex glue, i use 101r Anchor Weld from work or you may know it better as Kwik Grip sold in most hardware stores.

Gets tacky within minutes and the braid doesnt move, 5 mins later apply pressure and the glue works into the braid...no more lifting, and a tip for removal is to heat it up with an Iron.

Edited September 8, 2010 by Davnic74

[triggy]

Thanks Triggy,

C/A is contact adhesive/ laminex glue, i use 101r Anchor Weld from work or you may know it better as Kwik Grip sold in most hardware stores.

Gets tacky within minutes and the braid doesnt move, 5 mins later apply pressure and the glue works into the braid...no more lifting, and a tip for removal is to heat it up with an Iron.

 

AAhhh, know exactly what you mean now. How did you apply it to the recess and braid without getting it everywhere? Brush..sauce bottle??

Didn't like the liquid nails or other cartridge type adhesives?

[Davnic74]

Thanks Triggy,

C/A is contact adhesive/ laminex glue, i use 101r Anchor Weld from work or you may know it better as Kwik Grip sold in most hardware stores.

Gets tacky within minutes and the braid doesnt move, 5 mins later apply pressure and the glue works into the braid...no more lifting, and a tip for removal is to heat it up with an Iron.

 

AAhhh, know exactly what you mean now. How did you apply it to the recess and braid without getting it everywhere? Brush..sauce bottle??

Didn't like the liquid nails or other cartridge type adhesives?

 

Yep it was a Sauce bottle, i squashed the tip and sealed one side with tape to make it smaller then ran my finger over the bead of glue to flatten out.

[knoath]

What made you go with C/A Dave????

Looking good... will have to have a look next time I'm down that way!

[gref]

Nah your safe, Steve expects to have one for this weekend..

 

Is Steve still alive? Is he working on startlline still? He told me a LONG time ago he was working on a new version as mine is faulty - been waiting a while now!

[gzminiz]

dang, that was way quick, you put a 9 volt to the rails yet just to watch them go?

[Davnic74]

dang, that was way quick, you put a 9 volt to the rails yet just to watch them go?

I'm thinking about doing the wiring tonight, if not the 9v defiantly.

 

Thanks for the Ferrodor too, I only used about half of what was left.

[gzminiz]

dang, that was way quick, you put a 9 volt to the rails yet just to watch them go?

I'm thinking about doing the wiring tonight, if not the 9v defiantly.

 

Thanks for the Ferrodor too, I only used about half of what was left.

 

Nw, So the go is undercoat, the ferrodor on top. I will be redoing my track in the new year so good to know.

[gref]

Nah your safe, Steve expects to have one for this weekend..

 

Is Steve still alive? Is he working on startlline still? He told me a LONG time ago he was working on a new version as mine is faulty - been waiting a while now!

 

?

[Davnic74]

Nah your safe, Steve expects to have one for this weekend..

 

Is Steve still alive? Is he working on startlline still? He told me a LONG time ago he was working on a new version as mine is faulty - been waiting a while now!

 

?

 

I think the above quote by me answers your question

Edited September 10, 2010 by Davnic74

[gref]

Nah your safe, Steve expects to have one for this weekend..

 

Is Steve still alive? Is he working on startlline still? He told me a LONG time ago he was working on a new version as mine is faulty - been waiting a while now!

 

?

 

I think the above quote by me answers your question

 

so thats a yes? he doesn't reply to email

[Davnic74]

Nah your safe, Steve expects to have one for this weekend..

 

Is Steve still alive? Is he working on startlline still? He told me a LONG time ago he was working on a new version as mine is faulty - been waiting a while now!

 

?

 

I think the above quote by me answers your question

 

so thats a yes? he doesn't reply to email

 

Maybe start another thread, "find Aastes"...

[knoath]