2011 Scale Model Nationals

[Guest jazzbell]

Hornsby slot cars will be hosting the 2011 scale modle nationals next year. The dates for this event will

be August 5,6,and 7th 2011.

 

Classes will be as follows.

 

1/32 slot.it

1/32 GT Ninco

1/32 Scx Nascar

1/32 NSR Mosler

1/32 NSR Classic cars

1/32 GT scalextric

1/32 Plafit DIV 1 and DIV 2

1/24 JTC

 

Regards Shane A

 

Team thunderbird

Edited January 16, 2011 by jazzbell

[gref]

Is this a carry on from the Nationals at Mobile Raceways this year? If yes what happened to all the other classes that were run there?

[Guest jazzbell]

Is this a carry on from the Nationals at Mobile Raceways this year? If yes what happened to all the other classes that were run there?

gref it is the same event. But which ever state host it can run the classes they choose to run. All the other classes that are not listed does not mean they can be part of the event.

 

People need to voice their opinions so Hornsby can see what people want to race. Classes are not concrete as yet.

 

I can say it will only be 7 classes as the event will be run with qualifiying/heats and finals. This system takes up much more time to run,so this is why classes are limited.

 

regards shane a

 

team thunderbird

[gref]

hmm was keen on travelling next year, but might stay home

[Davnic74]

Only 7 classes??? and it seems it will be a 1/24 / Plafit event.

 

What about the Ninco's,Fly,Nsr and Slotits ???

 

I cant see many travelling to race 3 x 1/32 classes... hope the locals enjoy they event....

 

Not a criticism just an observation..

Edited October 16, 2010 by Davnic74

[gref]

Only 7 classes??? and it seems it will be a 1/24 / Plafit event.

 

What about the Ninco's,Fly,Nsr and Slotits ???

 

I cant see many travelling to race 3 x 1/32 classes... hope the locals enjoy they event....

 

Not a criticism just an observation..

 

I hear ya Dave, this year was my first year competing, and if I had my time again I woulda stayed and raced all classes at MR!!

[Vinno]

I have been asked to put it in the Announcements section but will wait and see how the comments go. It is a Slot Car event and we are a Slot Car forum so it is most likely that it should go up. It may be a little soon though and may get buried by the time the event comes around. Lets see how we go.

[Plucka]

Next time i see wayne ill have to ask about MJK NASCAR because i like that class.

 

It is a model car nationals so as long as each class has some resemblance to model building then thats great.

 

of those 7 classes they will be packed so it will still be a looooong 3 days and not being on a long weekend is the best news for me.

[Guest jazzbell]

Feed back that i'm getting for the scale nationals is not good. Number 1 problem not enough 32 scale classes.

Meaning Ninco,fly ect.....Speaking to interstaters other than NSW.

 

Without these classes it will be the first time a host will run the event with none of these as part of the program. The last 3 national events held all of these classes. Ninco,fly ect........

 

Another thing,EQUAL TRACK TIME FOR EVERY RACER. No heats to qualify for finals. People want to qualify and race and overall highest laps wins. This method can allow for many more classes to be run.

 

Another point,why so many 1/24 scale classes when we have the APC event as the largest 1/24 scale event in Australia now.

 

People are saying it's going to be run just to suit the locals,thats why these classes have only been chosen.

 

My opinion,32 scale classes for a national event should be the best product of car and rules should be set to allow these cars to perform the best. Prime example was the 2 new classes they ran at mobile's this year,NSR MOSLER and LMP OPEN, great cars and products.

 

If i have to choose between the scale modles and the APC,i will not travel to race crap scalextric V8's and SCX

NASCARS when i can go down the local at thunderbird and run with the kids in rookie class and save thounsands of dollars by staying home. Just my opinion

 

regards shane a

 

team thunderbird

[Davnic74]

^^^^ What he said...

[Obsidith]

I totally agree with jazzbell on this one

[stoo23]

Another thing,EQUAL TRACK TIME FOR EVERY RACER. No heats to qualify for finals. People want to qualify and race and overall highest laps wins. This method can allow for many more classes to be run.

 

I am unsure just what you mean by this, as differing to Qualifying, Heats and Final ???

 

Equal Time on Track for All Racers ???,...Just How long do you recommend for Each Bracket ???

 

The Internationally Recognised "Australian Method", as used by the USRA and Many other countries for Many, Many years now, has the Top four out of Each eight in the heats and Semi's moving up to the Next Heat, Semi or Main.

It Does work Very well, sorts the 'Wheat from the Chaff' as such, and means you are racing continuously against other cars and drivers of equal performance, and ends with a Final Filled with the Best drivers on the day.

 

Personally I Very much Prefer that method, instead of having my race ruined by people who can't drive well !!

 

HSC IS an extremely tricky and difficult track, even for those of us who race there regularly !! It is the sort of track you can race on Each week and Never get bored of and still find it extremely challenging.

 

It IS a Heck of a Lot more difficult and challenging than the Kinglemann !!,..(sorry Peter, but it's True).

 

I must admit I too find the amount of Plafit classes a bit disturbing, even though I do race them.

 

One question, is, do you Re-wire your Scalextric, Ninco's and NSR Cars to Run in the Normal direction? (That being Right to Left along the Main straight, or run them as they come, that being the Opposite of the way we run Retro and Plafit?

 

The weekly Scalextric Guys run the Other way, ie; Standard Scaley wiring, but also run Magnets, do you think That is what people want to do?

 

Or would the Ninco's and NSR's run Without Traction Magnets ??

 

As to being run to what the Locals want etc,..???,...Like What?,..Plafit ???,..Hey Go read some of My race reports over at the ASCRA forum and you will see that there Really Is Only a quite Small group of Regulars (also Mostly those that Also Race Retro), that Race Plafit cars.

 

We have Had Very Good fields from within NSW and Interstate for the Plafit Classes and Our Rules ARE Quite Different and Far More 'Open' than what is run at the APC, They are NOT in any way Similar events!!

 

The APC has it's Own quite unique methodology for Qualifying AND Racing, which is Nothing like either of the Proposed Methods.

 

And Pardon Me,..but it seemed like Hardly Anyone bothered to turn up to the Last MCN,..are you attempting to make next years event similar ???

I'd argue that with Only the so called 'Locals', there would be Greater Numbers than what appeared for the Last MCN !!

 

There Are People on this forum that both know and communicate with both Wayne Bramble and James Colfax from HSC, who Could communicate peoples desires and requests.

 

There was a LOT of Talk about What was Wrong with the Last event and suggestions were made to Try and Make it What people wanted.

 

If you 'Have a Beef' or an Opinion and Want to Have an MCN the way YOU want it,..then Heck Guys,..do yourself a Favour and Make a Call to HSC to Discuss the Issue,..They ARE in the Phone Book and their Web Site can be found via the Sponsor 'Links' on This site.

 

Neither Wayne Nor James spend Any time on this Forum Really, as can be noted by their Absence in 'posting'.

 

May I suggest being 'Creatively' Involved in the process of defining the classes that the Masses (if That is the right word), actually Want to Race, instead of just Whingeing ,..distantly and deciding Already that you Won't Bother attending.

 

I doubt it has Much of a future with the attitudes shown about this upcoming event and the incredibly Poor attendance of the Last event.

 

As it is Really Only a matter of a Raceway putting their Hand up to Host and Hold the event, may I suggest that someone, with appropriately Suitable Tracks 'Put Their Hands Up' to Hold the 2012 event,..The way You guys want it to be,..or will there be some 'Issue' with that Event that will preclude people going as well ???

 

Perhaps Armchair should have put Their Hands up for the event,..Oh but then there would be people who Don't want to run on That surface,..sigh,..it Will Never Be all things to all men!

 

I will discuss this with Wayne myself,..but for those that May be Unaware,..No One races NSR's, Ninco', Fly's or ANY other type of Plastic 1/32 cars at HCS Apart from Magnet Scalextric.

 

If your'e Not happy about the choices,..as I say RING them and Discuss the possibilities instead of Just 'Bagging' the event,..Before it has even become 'Set In Stone'.

 

To be Honest, I reckon you will be in the Extreme Deep End as far as setup and tyre choice for this track, Let alone Learning to Drive it effectively and May I suggest that there, perhaps the Locals May have an advantage,..but Hey that is the Same at any track that one does Not race on Regularly, Unless you are a Very Good Racer.

 

I asked a Lot of questions and Made Many suggestions about this event on a Few Forums and to be Honest,..got VERY FEW 'Constructive' or even Helpful or Creative answers.

 

My suggestion ??

 

GET INVOLVED and MAKE the EVENT what you Want !!!

 

Sorry Guys,..Just MY $4.00 worth !!! :sleep2:

[first corner crash]

I think its hard to run a 1/24th and 1/32 event combined anyway. If the locals are plafit oriented then thats the focus in both scales but the reality of most 1/32 racing is plastic chassis cars from a rtr background. Also the types of people who will travel for a national event do not want to run scalextric or scx Nascars v8s etc. They will want to run slot.it group c Ninco jgtc. Open Gt class. Classic sports (pre 73) Open LMP class etc. As for the idea of having a traction magnet class just have one for the kiddies on a friday night with bring your dad for a fun night out but not at a national event. I agree with Shane on the concept of travelling to race crap cars doesn't do it for serious racers. Can do that at home with mates and a few tinnies. A national event needs to run cars that were at least designed with enthusiasts in mind.

Just my opinion so it can never be right or wrong.

Edited November 10, 2010 by first corner crash

[beastm]

its a pity they have chosen to go down that path. i can understand the motivation if they join the two, they can make claim to be a truly national model car event.

However the original idea from Peter at MR was about 1.32nd cars. This event is really for a better term, the Plafit nationals. They should really be seperate events.

ie: Leave the plafit stuff and the 1/24 plafit stuff to the APC events and keep the nationals as a 1/32 event.

that way we can run NSR, ninco, Fly and all those other classes we enjoy.

Its a pity its a great track and well suited to both types of events.

 

We might look to see what we can establish as a 1/32nd scale national event to cater for the masses.

 

Having said all that i still may as well go anyway, as i agree with Stoo that you make the event what you want and its good to meet and mingle with the other guys.

 

As usual Stoo gets very passionate and as for his comment below, well mostly undoes all of what he says

 

I will discuss this with Wayne myself,..but for those that May be Unaware,..No One races NSR's, Ninco', Fly's or ANY other type of Plastic 1/32 cars at HCS Apart from Magnet Scalextric.

 

Well if that's the case stoo, how can it be representative of the needs of the masses. Its just a HSC club event really.

[stargate_SG1]

[Garry J]

Interesting comments but how about some facts about the 2010 event -

 

11 classes with an average 7.09 entries per class.

 

Only 2 classes, Ninco GT and SCX Nascars, could manage better than 7 entries. That's 9 classes looking for volunteer marshalls.

 

24 drivers but only 2 non Victorians.

 

12 drivers made up 78.2% of all entries.

 

30% of all entries had the surname Scriven (Slot.it Group C - 71.4%, Ninco GT - 54.4%, Pro LMP - 42.8%, Fly Classic - 75%) and without their support it would have been a miserable event.

 

This is hardly a glowing report and I feel for PVH who puts his heart into everything he does.

 

From these figures it's obvious HSC have done their homework and included the best attended class, SCX Nascars, in the 2011 program. The only other 2010 class with more than 7 entries, Ninco GT, had 6 of 11 entries named Scriven and unless they all commit to travel, that's no recommendation for a National class. HSC have gone with classes they know will be well attended and also included the SCX Nascars, a Scalextric class (to be advised) and the FJ Holdens. On current form they could hardly do otherwise.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Garry J

[Bulsara]

Same old, same old. I was one of the two non Victorians at the 2010 event and support the notion those overpriced and overhyped Plafits be consigned to their own event. If we want to attract younger drivers (don't we?) what would be a better incentive to race, a $150.00 Plafit, a $200.00 Aussie Retro or a $40.00 RTR Scaley Highly Resistant? You can run 1 Plafit class if you wish but don't forget where the sport started, you know, those silly little plastic cars.

[gzminiz]

I hope what i say isn't taken the wrong way, but this is just my thoughts and personal opinion...

 

Our hobby is very niche and trying to woo people from out of state to come and race (other then the scriven's :-) ) is a hard task. Any shop that takes on the task is a champion in my books. However, they really have to do what is best for them and we can't fault them for that nor should we. We should applaud them for the valiant effort and be happy that they are offering to do it at all.

 

For me, I can't justify the costs of flying (or driving) and setting up in a hotel for a weekend to race slots (ok, maybe I can't justify them in the wife's eyes). I reckon many are in the same spot that I am. I would love to go, really would.

 

Thank you hornsby for putting on the event and wish I could make it. Maybe I will, too far away to completely discount it.

 

If I was to go I would like different classes, slot.it, NSR, Ninco GT, open LMP... The "fast" ones do it for me. I like have some near RTR scaley and scx nascar's in there. But the class choice by the organizer isn't a deciding factor and I don't think for most people the class choices are deal breakers (maybe the number of classes, but not the actual classes). The other costs of travel is probably the biggest factor, so the shop has to cater to the local clients.

Edited November 21, 2010 by gzminiz

[stoo23]

Please Note,..that comment of Mine re; Scalextric Magnet Classes WAS in Particular reference to the Event being ONLY to Suit the Locals !!!

 

AS THAT Class of Scalextric was NOT on the List, it could Hardly be argued that the event was to 'Suit the Locals' !!!

 

AND,..as I also made the Point, that initial List of events, was Merely an Idea and has Now changed Completely !!

 

BUT,..as I am also Aware, that apart from Shane, No one to my knowledge HAS actually called either James OR Wayne to Discuss the 'Issues' as I suggested you do, then perhaps you Should so as you can ascertain Just What classes Will be Part of the event,..You May actually be pleasantly surprised!,..but I fear that once again, there will be Naysayers,..Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised ??

 

Thank you Gary as well, for actually providing the Dismal Specs and Facts from the Last MCN,..kinda makes you think twice really eh??!!,..But then,..from the above Posts,..would seem the 'Scrivens' have already decided to Not bother attending,..or will they Change their Minds,..when they actually Have the Facts,..instead of Just a 'Suggestion', which Was what the original post Re Classes, was.

 

I am Sure Details Will be forthcoming Shortly.

 

[Davnic74]

Thank you Gary as well, for actually providing the Dismal Specs and Facts from the Last MCN,..kinda makes you think twice really eh??!!,..But then,..from the above Posts,..would seem the 'Scrivens' have already decided to Not bother attending,..or will they Change their Minds,..when they actually Have the Facts,..instead of Just a 'Suggestion', which Was what the original post Re Classes, was.

 

I am Sure Details Will be forthcoming Shortly.

 

 

I hardly think that a post from 1 Scriven means others wont go, BUT a number of us were newbies having ago which is more than what i can say for others!!

 

Next is the fact that out of the 6 Scrivens only 1 races Plafit....so why would the other 5 spend a large amount of money to go and race 3 classes??

 

I would like to compete and so would my other family members, but for me i could be moving house around that time.

 

Maybe you should find out facts before posting...

Edited November 21, 2010 by Davnic74

[Bulsara]

Unfortunately some of these events seem to be controlled by the local pressure groups and some suppliers rather than the track owners and amateur racers. The only interstate event I have competed in seemed to know the difference between the "this is what I want types" and the grass roots racers.

[stargate_SG1]

thats slot car politics for you...

no wonder . we can't even have a proper race with out bitching from one or two

 

please excuse my observation...........but its true

these nationals using hard bodies , plafits , etc etc etc has been going on for yonks .....

there has been talks about national rules , regs,marshaling , teams etc etc

 

but i see nothing done or followed

JUST BITCHING

worst than women with the rags

[Guest jazzbell]

I have spoken to Hornsby,i can say that the event classes will be anounced in the new year. Speaking now it's going to be all 1/32 scale racing and the only plafit class will be the 1/32 scale plafit.

 

It is great what James and Wayne are doing as Hornsby is mainly 1/24 scale so they are taking a risk to make the event 1/32 scale.

 

All i can say is i hope more of you club racers will make the effort in Sydney to be apart of a big meeting. Yes it is always only a handful of interstaters that travel but the locals should come out and support the event.

 

I've never been to Hornsby as yet,but they tell me it's a great scale track to race on. So please don't let me here of piss weak excuses i'm not going to race on a gloss track. Everyone is in the same boat.

 

Last thing the enduro at Armchair will fill 8 teams with 4 guy's.(IT should ) So i hope to meet all 32 of you at Hornsby in 2011.

 

regards shane a

 

team thunderbird

[Bulsara]

I have spoken to Hornsby,i can say that the event classes will be anounced in the new year. Speaking now it's going to be all 1/32 scale racing and the only plafit class will be the 1/32 scale plafit.

 

It is great what James and Wayne are doing as Hornsby is mainly 1/24 scale so they are taking a risk to make the event 1/32 scale.

 

All i can say is i hope more of you club racers will make the effort in Sydney to be apart of a big meeting. Yes it is always only a handful of interstaters that travel but the locals should come out and support the event.

 

I've never been to Hornsby as yet,but they tell me it's a great scale track to race on. So please don't let me here of piss weak excuses i'm not going to race on a gloss track. Everyone is in the same boat.

 

Last thing the enduro at Armchair will fill 8 teams with 4 guy's.(IT should ) So i hope to meet all 32 of you at Hornsby in 2011.

 

regards shane a

 

team thunderbird

Fantastic news. I will be there with all my inferior cars and even less driving talent. I enjoy the competition and the chance to talk BS with all the guys.

[stoo23]

I hardly think that a post from 1 Scriven means others wont go, BUT a number of us were newbies having ago which is more than what i can say for others!!

 

Next is the fact that out of the 6 Scrivens only 1 races Plafit....so why would the other 5 spend a large amount of money to go and race 3 classes??

 

I would like to compete and so would my other family members, but for me i could be moving house around that time.

 

Maybe you should find out facts before posting...

 

OK,...Fair Enough, but Perhaps, May I say the Same!,..as you will Now see that Plafit Is Not the Main Item on the Menu !!!,..as I suggested in My 2nd Post you commented on.

 

ALL Classes are 1/32, No Hard Body Plafit, or ANY 1/24th classes, except for the Popular and Widely raced and accepted 1/32 Modern GT Class of Plafit racing as Raced at HSC and Other States, to the Older Qld 2009 Plafit Rules.

 

There Has Been NO Local Pressure, OR Pressure from ANY Politically aligned group or People with 'Vested' or Financial Interests in this event (or Other Events at HSC for that Matter), Whatsoever !!!!

 

As Shane said, HSC Mainly Only Runs 1/24th Classes and MANY of them, (apart from the Local ONLY Club Racing Scalextric Events, which ARE for Newbies and Experienced Racers). They Chose to Race Magnetted cars for That Club Use Only and was Never suggested as One of the Possible Classes.

 

I don't and have No Intent to Upset anyone,..I am under the belief that Like Myself, Both James and Wayne are Only Interested in Making the Upcoming MCN at HSC an Event Worthy of attending and Enjoying, BY the People that DO enjoy Racing these cars and from one who has enjoyed Many a Terrific Racing Event at HSC and I am sure, (which Others can also uphold), is Typical of all the Racing at HSC.

 

It Is a Very Good and Extremely Challenging Track, no Matter What Class is run on it and should Provide for another, 'Typically' Excellent event, as is the 'Norm' at HSC.

 

There is a very Strong and Extremely fast and competitive Group of Very Friendly Racers at HSC and the Management and environment have managed to provide some really Excellent events over these past two years, which have been enjoyed by Many and are invariably well attended.

 

My Comments have Only been aimed at suggesting you try and Get what you actually want from this event and for you to Find out What is going on, instead of being 'Critical' of what is 'Presumed' to be Happening,..Well before any Hard and fast decisions have been made.

 

Cheers and Hope to See You ALL there Next Year.