What Is New Within The 2012 Apc Car Classes ?

[warrick]

not so fair really.the rules state that the only 1700 chassis that cant be used in mini z are 1700g & slp.until now there was no mention that the frt bearing holders are illegal.

if you fit any of the 1709 holders the minimum diameter tyre/rim combo that will allow the chassis height of 1mm you need 24.5mm which by Werner's interpretation of the scale 1:1 look

is not right,i.e. rather big.the fact that the 3309c comes with the 1700c standard & prior to this notice no mention of this being illegal makes this unfair to people like myself who have already bought the parts & set the car up with this.i agree if this part was being swapped with one that came with the kit fair enough,but these holders are an integral system part of the 1700c chassis,without them the kit doesnt work.bad call at this late stage Werner!

warrick

Edited September 13, 2012 by warrick

[Noel B]

Rick maybe not a bad call but a tough call. There has to be a line drawn some where.. Hopefully this will effect a minority and not the majority...

 

Noel

[wwwace]

not so fair really.the rules state that the only 1700 chassis that cant be used in mini z are 1700g & slp.until now there was no mention that the frt bearing holders are illegal.

if you fit any of the 1709 holders the minimum diameter tyre/rim combo that will allow the chassis height of 1mm you need 24.5mm which by Werner's interpretation of the scale 1:1 look

is not right,i.e. rather big.the fact that the 3309c comes with the 1700c standard & prior to this notice no mention of this being illegal makes this unfair to people like myself who have already bought the parts & set the car up with this.i agree if this part was being swapped with one that came with the kit fair enough,but these holders are an integral system part of the 1700c chassis,without them the kit doesnt work.bad call at this late stage Werner!

warrick

 

Rick maybe not a bad call but a tough call. There has to be a line drawn some where.. Hopefully this will effect a minority and not the majority...

Noel

 

...We have just confirmed the regulations as they currently stand and the decision has been made not to change them, obviously so close to the event.

If there have been parts purchased out off any rule misunderstanding, I am more then happy to take these back for a full refund if required.

And it doesn't take long to change over a Mini-Z to 1700 T=Plate, Axle Bases and Bearing Holders........

 

Cheers

Werner

[Noel B]

Well iyou could not get a more fair offer than what Werner has stated. I would suggest that any one having purchased the new T- plate with bearing holders would still have the other relevant parts and I would also suggest that at the end of year meeting regarding rules for the next racing season that the above mentioned parts will be included in the new rule set and there for legal ..

 

Noel

[warrick]

there was no misunderstanding Werner because there was nothing in the rules about the 1700c being unusable.probably the correct wording would be an omission from the rules rather than a misunderstanding. i agree it doesnt take long to change the parts over,but, for us mere mortals it does take some time to dial them in.time we no longer have.i thank you for the offer though.

warrick

 

 

 

quote from rules:

 

2.1. Plafit Excel 1300 and Plafit Super24 1700 only (no 1700G and SLP versions).

2.2. All Plafit 1300 and 1700 chassis system parts can be used except 1700G and

SLP parts.

Edited September 13, 2012 by warrick

[sticks]

Hi Werner

 

 

I also have a Mini Z with the 3309 parts that I made to go to the APCs.

It would seem to me, that when plafit made the 1700C chassis they relised that the 3309 would be the right hight for the 1700C chassis and there would not have to manufacture another 1700 component

.

 

As the 3309 parts and the 1709 parts do the same job and that is to hold the axel off the chassis and both can be purchaced in sizes +0.5 to +1.5mm and spacers as well, then it would seem to me that common sense should prevail and these parts should be allowed to be used at the APCs

 

Rodney

[sticks]

just to add

in the rules for 1/24 Historic's it states that the 3309 is a standard part of the 1700c

 

2.14. Only the 1700C Super24 Chassis RTR standard parts can be used which are :

1701J Main Chassis Plate, silver

1703B Guide Holder, long

3309C Bearing Holder +1.0mm, front

1705G T-Plate, blue

1706 Body Mount Plates

1707 Body Slide Mounts

1708 Motor Bracket

1709B Bearing Holder +0.5mm, rear

1710 Subframe

1711 Motor Stay

 

I would think that if 1700c is allowed to run in other classes that the 3309 is also allowed be used

 

Rodney

[warrick]

+1 from me Rodney,makes common sense.

cheers

warrick

[Noel B]

Guys I see an honest error in Werner's allowance of the chassis and the mentioned bearing holder in question but it's just that and honest error. He has to make the hard decision regarding this so can't we all just accept it ? And by the way I do not always agree with Werner's decisions .. I am a fellow racer as well who just sees it a little differently to you guys.

 

Noel

[wwwace]

.....As I have mentioned in my last post, the rules cannot be changed anymore. Therefore the 3309C together with the 1705G is only allowed within the 1/24 Historic's class as outlined in the current regulations.

Any change would also effect the 1/24 Group C and the 1/24 GTJ Class.

 

Cheers

Werner

[axman]

I tend to agree with this decision..

I would like to remind everyone Werner has stuck his neck out a long way to get this event up and going. All that enjoy racing their Plafits and Mini Z should show some appreciation of the effort he has put in. This decision barely effects only one class so lets not upset a great weekend of racing. The rule sheets are very comprehensive and I think it would be fair to say that Werners "intent" of the rules is make them fair for everyone. It's hard when a new product comes out so close to a big event to evaluate all the pro's and cons. At the time of release it was really aimed at the Historic class and at face value seemed to be ok for mini Z. The fact you have to put 1/32 axle blocks up front to make it work has only very recently come to light. To me, its stretching the rules a bit to far.. I think Werner's decision is correct because it's the right answer for most of the drivers.. For those that this ruling effects its just a bit of bad luck... Congratulations for thinking a bit sideways but for this APC you will just have to race the same stuff as the rest of us and win with your outstanding driving ability.

P.S.

Went to buy a white body Audi from Nerangba but all sold out... Anyone got one for sale in Brisbane?

Edited September 13, 2012 by axman

[wwwace]

Thanks Kim,

 

I think we should leave it at that as we have announced and explained the decision.

 

I have sent you an e-mail about the Mini-Z Audi white kit you are after, Kim.

 

 

Cheers

Werner

[sticks]

Hi Werner

Can you please explain this

Hi Werner,

Can the new 1700C chassis be used in the Mini Z class?

Thanks,

- Cam

 

Yes of course, Cam.

Under 2.2. in the Mini-Z GT chassis regulations : All Plafit 1300 and 1700 chassis system parts can be used except 1700G and SLP parts.

So the new 1700C and its parts is included.

 

Cheers

Werner

 

It would seem to me that a ruling was already made on the use of the 1700C and the standard bearing holders for 1700C (3309C) some time ago and it would only be fair to let the parts be used, as cars have already been set up to this in accordance with the above statments

With only a week before the event it would seem to me to be a bite late to change the rules

 

Rodney

[wwwace]

Hi Werner

Can you please explain this

Hi Werner,

Can the new 1700C chassis be used in the Mini Z class?

Thanks,

- Cam

 

Yes of course, Cam.

Under 2.2. in the Mini-Z GT chassis regulations : All Plafit 1300 and 1700 chassis system parts can be used except 1700G and SLP parts.

So the new 1700C and its parts is included.

 

Cheers

Werner

 

It would seem to me that a ruling was already made on the use of the 1700C and the standard bearing holders for 1700C (3309C) some time ago and it would only be fair to let the parts be used, as cars have already been set up to this in accordance with the above statments

With only a week before the event it would seem to me to be a bite late to change the rules

 

Rodney

 

 

Many thanks for pointing this out Rodney.

 

You are of course correct. I should have read through this entire thread and we could have avoided it all. My apology for this.

Back then we should have included the 1705G / 3309C combination into the regulations.

So, there is no other choice as to do this now, even that close to the APC. Fingers crossed that it will not effect many more racers with their car preparation.

 

Therefore I will change the Mini-Z GT, 1/24 Group C and the 1/24 GTJ regulations accordingly to include the use of the 1705G T-Plate and the 3309C Bearing Holders.

We will try to put the updated regulations onto the APC website asap.

 

Cheers

Werner

[paulthetexan]

Well done , I beleive this is the best outcome after reading thru the posts . Makes sense to be able to set up for the minimum front wheel/tyre diameter using the new T-plate regardless of actual part No. Good outcome for all involved .

[sticks]

Thanks Werner for your time and help

 

Rodney

[warrick]

thanks for sorting this out Werner,as Noel said we may be a minority but we do love our hobby too.

cheers

warrick

[first corner crash]

Lucky for me I have no idea what I am doing but apparently my cars are legal at this stage. Werner is yet to run over them with his micrometer so i am not sure. My Peter Brock polarizer isn't mentioned in the rules so I am trying to slip that one in as a secret weapon. I still have to find a lft handed mirror to fit one of my 32nd scale cars as the weight imbalance is really messing with the handling.

[Camber]

1/24 GTJ :

You can only place weight plates on top of the Main Chassis Plate area which includes the Subframe and most of the T-Plate. You can also place weight underneath the Rear Suspension Hanger in front of the motor.

 

Cheers

Werner

 

 

Rule for weight postioning on GTJ Class:

 

4.5.1. Chassis weight plate positioning for Honda : Top of main chassis plate only.

 

Q: Can the weights when mounted on the top of the main chassis plate overhang the boundary/footprint of the chassis plate?

 

Thanks

 

- Cam

Edited September 14, 2012 by Camber

[wwwace]

1/24 GTJ :

You can only place weight plates on top of the Main Chassis Plate area which includes the Subframe and most of the T-Plate. You can also place weight underneath the Rear Suspension Hanger in front of the motor.

 

Cheers

Werner

 

 

Rule for weight postioning on GTJ Class:

 

4.5.1. Chassis weight plate positioning for Honda : Top of main chassis plate only.

 

Q: Can the weights when mounted on the top of the main chassis plate overhang the boundary/footprint of the chassis plate?

 

Thanks

 

- Cam

 

 

No, the weight plates have to be within the main chassis plate outlines.

 

Cheers

Werner

[Chris1810]

Hi all,

 

Just a rule clarification on the use of the new 1705G Blue T-Plate.

As a 1700 system part it can be used within the 1/24 Historic's, Mini-Z GT, 1/24 Group C and 1/24 GTJ Classes.

However the 3309C Axle Bearing Holders, being a 3300 system part for the 1/32 Scale Super32 Chassis, can only be used on this blue T-Plate within the 1/24 Historic's Class and not in the other three car classes.

However any 1709, B, C and D Axle Bearing Holders are fine for the Mini-Z GT, 1/24 Group C and 1/24 GTJ Classes.

As this is the way the current regulations are, a change to these rules so close to the APC cannot be made.

 

1705G T-Plate with Axle Bearing Holders 3309C. Legal for 1/24 Historic's only as listed in the regulations.

 

 

1705G T-Plate with Axle Bearing holders 1709D (for example). Legal in Mini-Z GT, 1/24 Group C and 1/24 GTJ.

 

Cheers

Werner

Hello Werner,

 

I trust you are busier than a one armed hairdresser!

 

Just to clarify the above picture for the historics class.

I have a 1700C, which i bough as a ready to run chassis. I have had a look at the front bearing holders and they don’t have the lines machined into the top of the holder as seen in the above picture.

Currently my wheels are measuring 23.1mm, i have a ground clearance just over 1mm and i have 1.3mm of spacing under the bearing holder.

 

Sorry if this has been flogged to death already.

 

See you'll soon.

[wwwace]

Hi all,

 

Just a rule clarification on the use of the new 1705G Blue T-Plate.

As a 1700 system part it can be used within the 1/24 Historic's, Mini-Z GT, 1/24 Group C and 1/24 GTJ Classes.

However the 3309C Axle Bearing Holders, being a 3300 system part for the 1/32 Scale Super32 Chassis, can only be used on this blue T-Plate within the 1/24 Historic's Class and not in the other three car classes.

However any 1709, B, C and D Axle Bearing Holders are fine for the Mini-Z GT, 1/24 Group C and 1/24 GTJ Classes.

As this is the way the current regulations are, a change to these rules so close to the APC cannot be made.

 

 

1705G T-Plate with Axle Bearing Holders 3309C. Legal for 1/24 Historic's only as listed in the regulations.

 

 

 

1705G T-Plate with Axle Bearing holders 1709D (for example). Legal in Mini-Z GT, 1/24 Group C and 1/24 GTJ.

 

Cheers

Werner

Hello Werner,

 

I trust you are busier than a one armed hairdresser!

 

Just to clarify the above picture for the historics class.

I have a 1700C, which i bough as a ready to run chassis. I have had a look at the front bearing holders and they don’t have the lines machined into the top of the holder as seen in the above picture.

Currently my wheels are measuring 23.1mm, i have a ground clearance just over 1mm and i have 1.3mm of spacing under the bearing holder.

 

Sorry if this has been flogged to death already.

 

See you'll soon.

 

 

......Never mind Chris, we shall sort this out when you are here.

 

Cheers

Werner

[Chris1810]

Thanks once more Werner.

[Camber]

Hi Werner, a couple of questions re GTJ Honda NSX.

 

Rules state a max chassis width of 64mm, I can't achieve that with my car unless I dremel the inner square sils as shown by the arrows. Is this OK?

 

 

Is mounting weight on the guide plate OK?

 

 

Thanks

 

- Cam

[wwwace]

Hi Werner, a couple of questions re GTJ Honda NSX.

 

Rules state a max chassis width of 64mm, I can't achieve that with my car unless I dremel the inner square sils as shown by the arrows. Is this OK?

 

 

Is mounting weight on the guide plate OK?

 

 

Thanks

 

- Cam

 

Hi Cam,

 

There is a yes and no answer to your questions :

 

- Yes, you can remove the inner (upper) plastic line on your NSX body. We have found that some Tamiya kits actually came without it.

So with the use of 8mm wide Flat Body Mount Plates (1707D) you should have a max. chassis width of 64.0mm.

 

- No weight can be placed on top of the Guide Holder with the Honda NSX. Only "on top of the main chassis plate" which includes the Subframe and the T-Plate obviously.

 

Cheers

Werner